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« on: December 17, 2004, 05:01:47 PM »
i did a few searches and couldnt find anything,

what are some of the local chipping options here in colorado?
price? does it include tuning (if any? )



sorry if this is to broad of a question,
gimme a break im a honda guy that is still learing vw stuff :)

i dont want this to turn into which chip is better, but personal opinions are welcome.

thanks in advance
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« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2004, 05:05:51 PM »
Avalon Motorsports offers GIAC and REVO chips here in Denver.

Depending on the engine in your car they run between 495 - 595.

I personally have the REVO softeware and love it.  There are others with it in the club.

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« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2004, 05:14:32 PM »
This topic has been beaten with a billy club... What I'd suggest is, don't worry about brand name. Search around for a used, already chipped, ECU that's compatible with your car. Any way you go, you'll be wondering why you didn't get a chip sooner... :)

The benefits are that you can swap out your ECU if you ever had to take it to the dealer, you'll save money buying used and you will have no down time...

I bought a chipped ECU on eBay for $280 shipped. That's a pretty good deal and I have a spare ECU to boot.

Just my $0.02...
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« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2004, 06:53:00 PM »
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Avalon Motorsports offers GIAC and REVO chips here in Denver.

Depending on the engine in your car they run between 495 - 595.

I personally have the REVO softeware and love it.  There are others with it in the club.

303-400-3001 - call em


I also have had extreamly good luck with my REVO software. Its extreamly reliable, I cant wait untill its time to upgrade to the K04 verson.

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« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2004, 07:24:45 PM »
I'm not chipped....yet :twisted:
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« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2004, 09:06:53 PM »
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Avalon Motorsports offers GIAC and REVO chips here in Denver.


i saw thier audi at the last bandimere event, looks nice.
i wanted to stop and talk to them but i had my HRC (Honda Racing Crew) shirt on, probaly woulda looked wierd :P

is Avalon the only vw/audi preformance shop in CO, or is it just the most trusted?


thanks for the replies ima do some reseasrch on the revo chip now.
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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2004, 09:37:33 PM »
Avalon is NOT the only shop in town, just the one I happen to know the most about and have personal dealings with.

Autosport Werks in Broomfield is another local tuner I know of...
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2004, 11:14:54 PM »
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thanks for the replies ima do some reseasrch on the revo chip now.


If you havent gotten their allready here is a link.

http://www.revotechnik.com/
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2004, 12:30:10 PM »
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Autosport Werks in Broomfield is another local tuner I know of...


ASW is an APR chip distributor and they do a great job as well.  If I remember correctly the Revo software is based on an ex-APR employee starting his own company so theywere very similar at one time.

There is also the Upsolute chip (Winston has that one) as well as the Wetterhauer (Wett chip) Sp?

Madigan had it right with an extra ECU that is chipped.  I too have an extra ecu that I paid about 350 for.  More than Marks but still a great deal considering how much chips run by themselves.

Good luck Kelly

And we won't holf the Honda thing against ya!

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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2004, 10:03:40 PM »
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Good luck Kelly
And we won't holf the Honda thing against ya!
Rob


lol,
my honda is my fast car.

built turbo single cam ;)
i have been looking into this and i wish there was something that was user programable (besides revo sps, which is ~$300)

ill look for a ecu thats a good idea.

and thanks for the link, i was searching my ass off, finally found it on the vortex.
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2004, 10:20:29 PM »
Quote from: "Kelly"

lol,
my honda is my fast car.

built turbo single cam ;)
i have been looking into this and i wish there was something that was user programable (besides revo sps, which is ~$300)


Tell me more about your honda.

Oh and here is a helpfull link if you havent allready checked it out I highly recomend it.


http://forums.vwvortex.com/zerothread?id=450388&postid=11249538#11249538

Greg. :D

EDIT: SPS units used in conjunction with revo software is the only system that I know of that allows the user to tune the software, their may be others but none that I know of... and the step beyond that is stand alone engine management.
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« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2004, 05:54:30 PM »
FYI~
ASW no longer sells APR.  There were some major problems with the APR software that APR was not accountable for (or so I've heard).
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« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2004, 06:57:31 PM »
Kelly-- This is a cross post from VWvortex is it not?  i remeber talking to you about it on the Vortex, Good to see that you found RMCB5, and i still hjope to meet you and check out that Honduh :lol: sometime.

Hopefully you realize that is a joke because your Honduh would smoke me :D

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« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2004, 12:36:48 AM »
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Tell me more about your honda.



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and i still hjope to meet you and check out that Honduh  sometime


 :oops:

i knew it would come..

its ok, trust me in used to it.
although i am not like most honda owners (ricers)
here is a little about my motor:
single cam honda,
bottom end: SRP 9.0-1 pistons, ealge rods, polished crank. ACL bearings. all new oem seals and oil pump.
top end: ARP head studs, stock head, portmatched intake and exhaust ports, y8 manifold (best flowong single cam intake manifold), all new oem seals and water pump/timing belt.
turbo: greddy 19T kit, drag FMIC, turbo XS RFL bov, 2.5" DP to ApexI 2.5" exhaust. boost controller :)
management: Uberdata. basically a free stand alone engine management software. short story behind uberdata, someone cracked the honda ecu code, so someone turned it into a standalone and charged ~$600.it was called HonData.. they chip your ecu and with the software they give you you can fully tune fuel/timing maps. so someone got HonData and crack thier code and posted it on the internet for free.
this is what i use. its FREE user tunable ecu control.

anyway, i hope to have my car tuned again early jan, it WILL be running for this season. im hoping for ~300 whp in a ~2400lb including driver:)
all this was done in my garage.
here is another motor i helped build for a buddy, in his garage
http://www.hondaracingcrew.com/Videos/Jeremy10040919.wmv

enough about my honda.
i am looking for a quick DD.
it seems like it doesnt matter what chip i go with, they all claim close to the same power.
i want to find a chip that does more that turn the boost up and add fuel. i want a chip that is tuned, where timing is taken into consideration, part throttle maps are correct as well as wot maps.

i would like a chip that when i move to ohio (maybe next year) i will be able to adjust it for altitude there.

thanks for the link, i have been reading alot of it, it makes my head spin, all this new talk... vws are ALOT more complicated then hondas)

and i did ask about this on vortex, and i kinda got a response, but i wanted something from more people especally people that are local and understand altitude tuning.

thanks for everyones help, ill continue reading and tryin to figure out what chip is best for me.

it feels wierd to just accept a generic maps from "insert chip company here" and call it a day. all cars are different, altitude is different... and to top it all off none of them allow user tunability..
i dont know how the vw community accepts this... (maybe i am spoiled in the "honda world"

oh well.
thanks again for everyones help. i hope i didnt offend anyone here, that wasnt my intention. i wish it was as easy as hondas :P

if anyone has anymore info please post it up, im leaving my options open, as i learn more about the vw stuff
thanks again, and sorry no cliff notes will be given :)
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« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2004, 03:04:07 AM »
edit: the white car was driven to the track, slicks slapped on, raced and driven home.
this car resides in the springs and is daily driven,

see, not all honda guys are ricers. :)


1 more question.

who has what chip here?
how do you like it?
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« Reply #15 on: December 20, 2004, 03:08:41 AM »
I think people on this board have just about every kind of chip.  I have yet to hear of anyone being unhappy with their chip, with the possible exception of APR.  There have been some problems with them blowing up turbos quickly, although I don't really know if it's a freak, one-time thing or a known issue.  Hell, I'm on my third turbo with MTM, which is supposed to be one of the most conservative/durable.  Then again, I do have 140K miles and track the car.  Also, the current turbo has only been in there a few months.
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« Reply #16 on: December 20, 2004, 03:15:13 AM »
is blowing turbos something that i can expect with a chipped ecu?
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« Reply #17 on: December 20, 2004, 03:30:46 AM »
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is blowing turbos something that i can expect with a chipped ecu?



I wouldn't expect that to happen to you, the chances of that happening are very low, IMOP I would do any company but Nospeed(neuspeed), I think that thier chip is junk, especially if you are lookiong for a big difference. It is the cheapest chip out there for a reason.


Dont mean to offend anybody out there with Neuspeed, these are just my opinions :D

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« Reply #18 on: December 20, 2004, 03:34:29 AM »
im thinkin revo due to the fact that i will be able to tune it with the sps3.

anyone wanna give me a ride in thier revo'd passat?

anyone wanna tell me why not to get revo?
anyone wanna tell me why to get revo?
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« Reply #19 on: December 20, 2004, 03:42:48 AM »
I can give you a ride in my Revo Golf, not exactly the same as a passat my car is a bit lighter but you will get the general idea. You will see all the reasons that you need revo :)
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« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2004, 04:15:33 AM »
when ever you are available im down.

have you had any problems with it?
did you get it done locally?
did they flash your ecu and send you on your way or is there continuing support?

do you know if it is possible for them to change the map they put on you ecu? ie.. meet me at the dyno and get  some tweeks done to the map they are gonna put on?
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« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2004, 05:25:58 AM »
I work nights and sleep days so my hours are kinda wack, any time on the weekend im usually around.

OK here is my speech about revo, sorry it will probly be pretty long...

The only problem that I ran into was an airbag light tripped when they flashed the ecu witch they promptly removed with their vag com. So no real problems to speak of.
I got it done at Dubs Along The Rockies last year (a local show here in the springs) by Avalon Motorsports, as far as I know they are the only Revo dealer in the state, so plan on a trip to Denver to get flashed. http://www.avalonmotorsports.com/

As far as support go's im not really sure, im sure that Zev over their at Avalon motorsports would take care of you if you ran into problems, but by getting Revo you can also look to them for support they have forums on their website, here is a link...
http://pub219.ezboard.com/brevotechnik

Now then as far as tuning your software. Really you donít even need a dyno all you need is your Revo'd ecu an sps3 and a vag com. With the vag com you can see weather or not the ecu is pulling timeing and boost. When the ecu pulls timing and/or boost you should select a lower setting on your sps unit. Im sure that dyno tuning is the most effective method, but for tuning on the fly you cant really beat it. Iím sure that what I know about this is just a fraction of what you can do with the system.

Post up if you have any more questions hope this was the info you were looking for.

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« Reply #22 on: December 20, 2004, 02:07:50 PM »
Oh, and I've also heard of a couple Neuspeed cars blowing turbos in just a few thousand miles, just like APR.  Who knows, maybe it was just coincidence, though.  Food for thought.
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2004, 02:14:55 PM »
Does it seem like APR and it's newer offerings (> 2002) are suspect?

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2004, 02:16:58 PM »
Those are the ones I've heard of problems with.  Jon would likely know more about the details.
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2004, 02:21:10 PM »
I have REVO in my B5.5 - you have PM.
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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2004, 03:08:05 PM »
FWIW: I've heard about many cars blowing turbo's with Revo which is the reason I was shocked when so many people started touting REVO's graces.

In all honesty, I don't really think it matter's who makes your chip. You're pushing more boost through your turbo and that's it. All of them boast relatively identical gains and if it's different, your butt probably won't know it or unless you frequent Bandimere.

In my chip researching, I've talked to owners of every single chip out there and everyone's happy with their respective setup's. I'm going Neuspeed. I haven't heard anything bad from anyone who has it and it's going to be a little easier on my car than APR or GIAC and I can't flashload so REVO's out anyway.

Oh yeah, and did I mention it's stupid cheap? Yes, you get what you pay for in most cases but I've done my research and feel confident. Why spend an extra 3 Franklin's for 5 horses and a different brand? I know what I want out of my car anyway.

Chips go through their phases of what's hot and what's not. They prove themselves. And honestly, I've not heard anything super negative about any of 'em. Just quirks and differences here and there.  :wink:
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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2004, 04:37:15 PM »
I have a '99 1.8T Passat with APR v3.0 software on one of my ECUs. The other ECU is stock. www.goapr.com

I've had the APR software since late 2000 and have never had any issue with it. The car is fairly well tweaked with lots of mods that enhance the chip. I see peak boost spikes of up to 18psi all the time and sometimes even 19psi on a good day! And I'm laying down good numbers to back it up. But I'm not looking to have the absolute highest output either. I need this car to get me to work when I need it to get me to work.

Reliable power is the phrase I like.

I believe the question of whether a given chip tuner is more or less likely to blow up your turbo is silly. They are all doing the same thing to the ECU. Some are more conservative with the tuning and some push it a little harder. But basically they are all doing the same thing. There is no magic happening here.

It is gernerally understood that APR and GIAC create the most HP and torque with thier products. But that doesn't directly corrolate to blown turbos.

I think for that answer you need to ask some serious questions of those that have blown turbos. What were they doing when it grenaded? How do they drive on a daily basis? And if they answer hounestly, I bet you'll find that the answer isn't which chip or tuner, but driving habits.

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« Reply #28 on: December 20, 2004, 04:47:34 PM »
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I think for that answer you need to ask some serious questions of those that have blown turbos. What where they doing when it grenaded? How do they drive on a daily basis? And if they answer hounestly, I bet you'll find that the answer isn't which chip or tuner, but driving habits.

Sorry to be so brutal, and I hope I didn't piss anyone off, but the truth shall set you free!


I agree, there are many contributing factors to blown turbo's.  I have a leak in the exhaust gaskit of my turbo and I do not think the software had anything to do with that.  My car drives fine and there is no noticable loss of performance (although I am sure there is a little bit of loss, just not noticable).

Research is key, not just the chip, but the engine mods as a whole and the effects they will have in addition to software tuning.
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« Reply #29 on: December 20, 2004, 05:15:23 PM »
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I think for that answer you need to ask some serious questions of those that have blown turbos. What where they doing when it grenaded? How do they drive on a daily basis? And if they answer hounestly, I bet you'll find that the answer isn't which chip or tuner, but driving habits.

Sorry to be so brutal, and I hope I didn't piss anyone off, but the truth shall set you free!


I agree, there are many contributing factors to blown turbo's.  I have a leak in the exhaust gaskit of my turbo and I do not think the software had anything to do with that.  My car drives fine and there is no noticable loss of performance (although I am sure there is a little bit of loss, just not noticable).

Research is key, not just the chip, but the engine mods as a whole and the effects they will have in addition to software tuning.


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