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« on: March 27, 2005, 02:08:10 AM »
Here are the numbers!

The first set is the actual (HP/TQ) at the wheels. The second set is the corrected [HP/TQ] at the crank shaft using the correction numbers given to us by the guys at MAC. You will notice that a couple of the stock cars came very close to their stock crank numbers after the correction factor.

Sorted roughly from highest HP to lowest.  :D

1. Cole 2000 S4 2.7TT (280HP/395TQ) [350HP/493.75TQ]
2.??? 1991 M5 (253HP/229TQ)[290.95HP/263.35TQ]
3.Jason W8 (226HP/252TQ) [273HP/304.92]
4.Ian 2002 Golf 1.8T (226HP/264TQ) [268.94HP/314.16TQ]
5. Andrew 2003 Golf 1.8T (210HP/255TQ) [249.9HP/303.45TQ]
6. Ken 2004 GLi 1.8T (208HP/243TQ) [247.52HP/289.17TQ]
7.Jason 1995 M3 (208HP/198TQ)[239.2HP/227.7TQ]
8.Jack 2003 Golf 1.8T (207HP/229TQ)[246.33HP/272.51]
9.Andy 2001 Golf 1.8T (201HP/256TQ)[239.19HP/304.6TQ]
10.Randy 2003 Passat 1.8T (190HP/230TQ)[226.1HP/273.7TQ]
11. Sarah Golf 337 1.8T (184HP/197TQ) [218.96HP/234.43TQ]
12.TW 2001 Passat 1.8T (182HP/209TQ) [216.58HP/248.71TQ]
13. Ted 2004 A4 1.8T (179HP/254TQ) [216.59HP/307.34TQ]
14. Chas 1998 Passat 1.8T (175HP/215TQ) [208.25HP/255.85TQ]
15. Andrew S. 2000 Passat 1.8T (161HP/218TQ)[198.03HP/268.14TQ]
16. Mark 2000 Passat Wagon 1.8T (152HP/192TQ) [186.9HP/236.16TQ]



Correction factors used to calculate driveline loss are as follows. (estimated by MAC Automotive)


RWD Stick 15%
FWD Stick 19%
FWD Aut0 23%
AWD Stick 21%
AWD Auto 25%

I don't have your guess numbers in there.

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« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2005, 02:30:56 AM »
A fun day to watch all the other cars that showed up  -  must do it again

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« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2005, 03:55:27 AM »
APR claims 200hp/245lb-ft for my particular ECU (4B0 906 018 BH) and I got an estimated 198.03hp/268.14lb-ft after correction. Looks pretty good except for the fact all you other suckas seem to have inflated numbers!!!

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« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2005, 04:15:17 AM »
sounds like you guys had fun.  wish I could have joined you.
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« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2005, 04:28:22 AM »
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APR claims 200hp/245lb-ft for my particular ECU (4B0 906 018 BH) and I got an estimated 198.03hp/268.14lb-ft after correction. Looks pretty good except for the fact all you other suckas seem to have inflated numbers!!!



Inflated how?

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« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2005, 01:01:33 PM »
So what exactly do the corrected numbers represent?  Is that our HP at sea level or is it our flywheel HP?
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« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2005, 01:14:58 PM »
Flywheel HP. That is why the correction factor is different for different drivelines. Different drivelines will have a different amounts of loss.

Since the factroy numbers are quoted at the flywheel. You need to convert to the estimated flywheel numbers to see exactly how much HP gain you have from your mods.

The correction factor numbers are estimates. It is really impossible to tell exactly how much loss you have without dynoing your engine in AND out of the car. But if we all use the same numbers for each drivetrain it will give you a relative estimate of how certain mods work over others, etc.


The dyno is already corrected for altitude! Theoretically you will get the same numbers on this dyno if it were at sea level or here.

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« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2005, 05:43:47 PM »
Am I on the list as TW????

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« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2005, 08:03:30 PM »
I dunno. I only copied the names from the list to the screen. So definately maybe.

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« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2005, 09:52:34 PM »
Sounds like you guys had allot of fun.  Nice numbers from allot of people.  Allong with Chas' results I personally would have liked to seen Rusty's as well.  Both of these guys scare me with what they know and have done.
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« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2005, 01:32:11 AM »
I am working on the videos.  I am going to cut each one into a seperate file, and upload them or host them for download.  THey are pretty cool!

Just so you know, the numbers seem acurate.  Both of my cars performed very close to spec, and they are both stock.
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« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2005, 03:10:10 AM »
Quote from: "Cole"
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APR claims 200hp/245lb-ft for my particular ECU (4B0 906 018 BH) and I got an estimated 198.03hp/268.14lb-ft after correction. Looks pretty good except for the fact all you other suckas seem to have inflated numbers!!!



Inflated how?


Take yours for example:

Stock 2000 S4:  250hp/258lb-ft
GIAC chip: +70 to 80hp/+80 to 90lb-ft
Corrected numbers: 330hp/348lb-ft

I know you have an aftermarket exhaust, but +20hp and +150lb-ft more than expected? Some numbers match up very well and some seem high.

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« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2005, 03:11:13 AM »
Sounds like a great time was had by all.  Cole, the last time I talked to you, you said the S was close to stock.  So what have you been up to?
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2005, 03:16:19 AM »
Here are the Dyno plots for both the M3 and W8.  I also included an example video of my runs, and everyone's will be similar.  I shrunk the video down so that it could be easier to view, but yours will be higher quality.




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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2005, 03:21:33 AM »
Keep in mind all of this was done in 3rd gear.
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« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2005, 03:24:19 AM »
Sweet, Sweet, and SWEET!!!
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« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2005, 10:58:44 AM »
Hmm...Passat's suck.  :lol:
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« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2005, 02:16:44 PM »
I know my torque number seems way high. I have no answer for it at the moment.  

I will be getting all of our runs on disk later today (forgot and left the disk there).

Here is the complete list of things that I "know" are on my car. There may be other stuff I don't know about since most fo it was done before I bougth it.


-GIAC-X (aparently an old version, I read somewhere on AW that someof the newer chips were smoothed out and tuned the TQ down. Automatic trans also multiply TQ between the crankshaft and the input of the trans. Without knowing the differential in those two shaft speeds etc it woudl be hard to tell what is really comming out of the engines output shaft and what is making it into the transmission.So really I may be 497TQ into the trans but that may be different than what is comming out of the engine. )
-GIAC Tip-chip
-Forge BPVs
-Samco TBB
-K&N Air Filter
-Brullen Exhaust. (I also get error codes that seem to be consistant with downpipes, but my pipes seem stock so the pre-cats may be hollow, I have yet to take a close look)

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« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2005, 02:57:55 PM »
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Hmm...Passat's suck.  :lol:


Yeah, and it's quite embarrassing!

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2005, 04:42:12 PM »
Jdawg and I did some additional "Performance Testing" :wink:  after the dyno to see how accurate the numbers were.  We were able to test the W8 and the S4 and the numbers appear pretty accurate :wink:  :D

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« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2005, 05:57:26 PM »
Taking stock claims from VW / Audi / BMW here are the result of who has the largest gain over stock:

1. Cole - 100HP
2. Ian - 89HP
2. Andrew Self - 89HP
4. Andrew 34K - 69HP
5. Ken - 67HP
6. Jack - 66HP
7. Chas - 58HP
8. Randy - 56HP
9. Andrew Shum - 48HP
10. TW - 46HP
10. Ted - 46HP
12. Sarah - 38HP
13. Mark - 36 HP
14. Jason W8 - 3HP
15. Jasom M3 - Even
16 Mark M5 - LOSS
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« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2005, 07:05:05 PM »
16. Mark M5 - LOSS

Naturally aspriation loss, due to altitude?  We are a mile high!

Is Jasom's M3 stock or does it have exhaust, air filter, ecu, etc...?
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« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2005, 07:11:49 PM »
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Is Jasom's M3 stock or does it have exhaust, air filter, ecu, etc...?


Jasom is Jason (my bad typing) and it is stock - but not for long!
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« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2005, 07:25:19 PM »
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Jdawg and I did some additional "Performance Testing" :wink:  after the dyno to see how accurate the numbers were.  We were able to test the W8 and the S4 and the numbers appear pretty accurate :wink:  :D


Very true.  Basically, Cole wasted me completely without even blinking or having to try hard.  Bastard.  But wait until I get the cams in the M3, you will be crying.
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« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2005, 09:28:44 PM »
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Jdawg and I did some additional "Performance Testing" :wink:  after the dyno to see how accurate the numbers were.  We were able to test the W8 and the S4 and the numbers appear pretty accurate :wink:  :D


Very true.  Basically, Cole wasted me completely without even blinking or having to try hard.  Bastard.  But wait until I get the cams in the M3, you will be crying.


I hope you are talking about a road course and not the dyno.  Cams are not going to give you that much increase in power.  Your going to have to buy a SC or turbo kit to do that.  You have to make 100+ hp and 250+ TQ to match Cole.  The cams will help you on the track at least :P

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« Reply #25 on: March 28, 2005, 10:03:39 PM »
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16. Mark M5 - LOSS

Naturally aspriation loss, due to altitude?  



No. The dyno is corrected for altitude. The M5 was only down 10HP over its stock numbers. This could be attributed to mileage, dirty air filter, old clogging exhaust, old spark plugs, etc. It could even be the 104oct he had in it. If the car did not compensate for it you may actually show less HP.

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« Reply #26 on: March 28, 2005, 10:28:42 PM »
I think his loss was due to mileage and the 104 octane fuel (his ECU would not be able to take advantage of it)  however when he did a pull in 4th gear the car was amazing.  His power and torque curve did not drop, unlike all the other cars.

His car is pimp and I have no doubt it will be cared for and last forever.  He now owns a small fleet of bimmer's.
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« Reply #27 on: March 28, 2005, 11:10:09 PM »
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Quote from: "Cole"
Jdawg and I did some additional "Performance Testing" :wink:  after the dyno to see how accurate the numbers were.  We were able to test the W8 and the S4 and the numbers appear pretty accurate :wink:  :D


Very true.  Basically, Cole wasted me completely without even blinking or having to try hard.  Bastard.  But wait until I get the cams in the M3, you will be crying.


I hope you are talking about a road course and not the dyno.  Cams are not going to give you that much increase in power.  Your going to have to buy a SC or turbo kit to do that.  You have to make 100+ hp and 250+ TQ to match Cole.  The cams will help you on the track at least :P

S4 > M3!


Actually, my car (the M3) is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than Cole's S4.  My driveline loss is about 10% less, and cams make a 50+ horsepower difference in a stock M3.  So, with cams I am pushing 300 horsepower and would be very competitive with Cole because of the weight / horsepower/torque ratio.  The M3 is at least 800 lbs lighter than the S4, automatic.
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« Reply #28 on: March 29, 2005, 11:01:19 AM »
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Actually, my car (the M3) is SIGNIFICANTLY lighter than Cole's S4.  My driveline loss is about 10% less, and cams make a 50+ horsepower difference in a stock M3.  So, with cams I am pushing 300 horsepower and would be very competitive with Cole because of the weight / horsepower/torque ratio.  The M3 is at least 800 lbs lighter than the S4, automatic.


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Randy, what have you done to your car that puts it so much ahead of others...for instance, Ted's A4. He's got Garret and Injectors. You've got Revo, CAI and stock injectors. Or even Shum's B5. Am I missing something?
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« Reply #29 on: March 29, 2005, 03:48:08 PM »
I have done nothing special - other then the mods listed - but I have an idea as to why my numbers are what they are.

If you look at the starting place for each car - stock power - I am starting at a higher point.  B5 = 150 B5.5 = 170.  Using this formula Chas has gained the most HP over stock, I am seccond, Tweekdub 3rd, and Ted 4th, Shummer 5th, and Mark 6th.

As for Ted's car and his numbers...I have spoke to GIAC and Jeff Moss regarding the issue.  Due to the way a Dynopack makes it readings, it does not allow for the GIAC Big injector program to reach full mixture.  (way too much technical mumbo-jumbo to type how this happens)

I will be changing my exhaust soon and then I will head back to MAC to see what additional impact that wil have.  Exhaust HP gains are obvious in the Golf cars that ran and on Tweekdubs Passat.
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