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« on: June 13, 2005, 07:47:19 PM »
Just seeing of anyone was planning on going to the Autocross at DIA this Sat.?  I plan on being there, so it would be nice to know if anyone else is planning on attending.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 08:32:36 PM »
Saturday?  I thought it was Sunday...oops...but yeah...I'll be there with the new rubber.

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« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2005, 08:32:36 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2005, 10:29:35 PM »
I want to be there, but alas... I am fugginbroke... that is German for poor...

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« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2005, 11:23:55 PM »
On the schedule page it says Sat. the 18th, but when you register it says Sun. the 18th.  But Sat. is the 18th.

Cool.  Ian how many autocrosses have you been to?  This will be my 4th I think.  Tons of fun.

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2005, 01:03:24 AM »
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On the schedule page it says Sat. the 18th, but when you register it says Sun. the 18th.  But Sat. is the 18th.

Cool.  Ian how many autocrosses have you been to?  This will be my 4th I think.  Tons of fun.

Later,
Kev


This will be my 4th also.  I did the event April 24th (when the Vette caught fire), and the two day event down at PPIR two weekends ago.  I run in SM, so I usually have my ass handed to me, but this sure is fun!  You run in G-stock with Avons?  Which Avons?  I just picked up a set of the Tech-Rs...I can't wait for this weekend.
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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2005, 01:09:05 AM »
I hate to admit this, but I'm a little bit intimidated. I've never autocrossed before, and I'm hesitant to sign up for this and the DATR event.  I wouldn't mind doing it...but I just don't want to make a complete fool out of myself. In addition, my car isn't super-fast either. It isn't slow, but it isn't Stage 3 1.8T fast either.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2005, 02:12:17 AM »
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I hate to admit this, but I'm a little bit intimidated. I've never autocrossed before, and I'm hesitant to sign up for this and the DATR event.  I wouldn't mind doing it...but I just don't want to make a complete fool out of myself. In addition, my car isn't super-fast either. It isn't slow, but it isn't Stage 3 1.8T fast either.

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The nice thing about autocross is the classification system.  It helps create a truly competitive environment...and don't be worried about making a fool of yourself...we saw a New Beetle almost flip a couple of events ago.  You ought to come out and try, at least once.  If you want to come out and see what it's like, you can come ride along with some of the cars.  There is a great variety of cars, including some Lotus Elises that run regularly...and one Carerra GT at PPIR once (droooool).
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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2005, 03:15:54 AM »
The trick with autoX is to first try to learn how to read the course, then try to drive fast.  Trying to do both often results in four DNF's and no times your first day out.  At speed it can be pretty hard to figure out where the turns are in the 'sea of cones.'  I would suggest doing at least one autoX with no expectation of going fast, and then probably take the first two runs at a very moderate pace just learning to find the corners.

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« Reply #8 on: June 15, 2005, 06:05:43 PM »
Do I have to be an SCCA member to participate in this Auto-X?  I'd like to go, and I wouldn't mind joining the SCCA...the only problem for me is the region thing. I'd have to pay dues for Rocky Mountain, because I'm here ~4 months out of the year, and for Midwest, because I'm in St. Louis for the ~8 remaining months (at least, for the next year).  

Not to threadjack, but are the SCCA members out there reaping the benefits?

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« Reply #9 on: June 15, 2005, 06:41:54 PM »
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Do I have to be an SCCA member to participate in this Auto-X?  I'd like to go, and I wouldn't mind joining the SCCA...the only problem for me is the region thing. I'd have to pay dues for Rocky Mountain, because I'm here ~4 months out of the year, and for Midwest, because I'm in St. Louis for the ~8 remaining months (at least, for the next year).  

Not to threadjack, but are the SCCA members out there reaping the benefits?

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Nope, there is no requirement to be an SCCA member, although you get a discount at the course.  Check out RM Solo for the fees and stuff.  You can always come out and just watch and ride along for free your first time (or couple of times).  I'm not sure about the dual region thing...you'd have to contact SCCA.
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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2005, 07:27:30 PM »
You don't need a stupid-fast car to compete.  At 2nd Creek and Auto-X I just drive my stock 03 Gti.  All I've done to it is Mintex pads, which are crap IMO, and Avon tires.

Ian, I have the TechM-500 UHP.  Good grip, very consistant, but got a little chewed up at 2nd creek on the driver's front side.  Otherwise no complaints.

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« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2005, 06:47:48 PM »
Messed up! I was going to sign up last night, but I couldn't quite pin down what class my car was (any help with that would be much appreciated, I can provide details), so I decided to wait till this morning. I was working under the mistaken belief that registration closes tomorrow (Friday). This morning at 10:30, I realized I had missed registration by a mere 30 minutes.  I will probably still come up and have a look though.

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« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2005, 06:52:50 PM »
Come out anyways.  You can talk with some of the guys out there and they'll be able to help you out with the classification.  What mods have you done to the car (or is it still stock...just cosmetic mods?)?  You can always get ride alongs and see if you really want to do it...

Also, take a look at this (starting at page 9 there is a pretty good outline of the classes), and here for the SCCA detail of classifications.
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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2005, 07:39:43 PM »
I'll come out.  Here are the modifications to my car (other than cosmetic):

1998 A4 2.8 30v
- Stebro Cat-Back Exhaust (2.67")
- Unorthodox 3-Pulley Set (Crankshaft, Power Steering, Alternator)
- EvoMS Air Intake
- GIAC 2.8l Chip
- Neuspeed Race Suspension w/ Bilstein Sport Shocks
- 17" Ace Lola w/ Bridgestone g-Force T/A KDW-2 (225/45-17)

With the NASA-X classification system that puts me in group TT-E.  And thanks for the links.

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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2005, 09:25:41 PM »
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I'll come out.  Here are the modifications to my car (other than cosmetic):

1998 A4 2.8 30v
- Stebro Cat-Back Exhaust (2.67")
- Unorthodox 3-Pulley Set (Crankshaft, Power Steering, Alternator)
- EvoMS Air Intake
- GIAC 2.8l Chip
- Neuspeed Race Suspension w/ Bilstein Sport Shocks
- 17" Ace Lola w/ Bridgestone g-Force T/A KDW-2 (225/45-17)

With the NASA-X classification system that puts me in group TT-E.  And thanks for the links.

Ben


I couldn't get that NASA-X thing to classify me...I end up with 34 points to add to the base rating, which should have put me in an SM class...but it only put me to TT-C (not sure how that compares).

You might consider posting the mods in the
Base class is the GS class...Nice tire choice by the way...IF I'm interpreting the rules right (and that's a big if, I'm new to this) if your rims are 7.5" wide, you'll fall into the STS class, if 8" wide, you'll be in STX.  You may want to post in the Amatuer Racing - Autocross section over on the vortex requesting help on classification.

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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2005, 10:23:06 PM »
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I'll come out.  Here are the modifications to my car (other than cosmetic):

1998 A4 2.8 30v
- Stebro Cat-Back Exhaust (2.67")
- Unorthodox 3-Pulley Set (Crankshaft, Power Steering, Alternator)
- EvoMS Air Intake
- GIAC 2.8l Chip
- Neuspeed Race Suspension w/ Bilstein Sport Shocks
- 17" Ace Lola w/ Bridgestone g-Force T/A KDW-2 (225/45-17)

With the NASA-X classification system that puts me in group TT-E.  And thanks for the links.

Ben


I couldn't get that NASA-X thing to classify me...I end up with 34 points to add to the base rating, which should have put me in an SM class...but it only put me to TT-C (not sure how that compares).

You might consider posting the mods in the
Base class is the GS class...Nice tire choice by the way...IF I'm interpreting the rules right (and that's a big if, I'm new to this) if your rims are 7.5" wide, you'll fall into the STS class, if 8" wide, you'll be in STX.  You may want to post in the Amatuer Racing - Autocross section over on the vortex requesting help on classification.

Ian



Ok, thanks a lot!  My wheels are 17x7.5  And I've been thinking about replacing the current BFGoodrich tires, because I don't want to chew through them in the next coming months, with all the autocrossing I intend to do.  I'm trying to find a set of 4 225/45-17 tires right now that don't cost a lot of money (looking at around $100), that don't necessarily need to have a lot of tread left. Do you tear through tires quite often?

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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2005, 02:42:43 AM »
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I'll come out.  Here are the modifications to my car (other than cosmetic):

1998 A4 2.8 30v
- Stebro Cat-Back Exhaust (2.67")
- Unorthodox 3-Pulley Set (Crankshaft, Power Steering, Alternator)
- EvoMS Air Intake
- GIAC 2.8l Chip
- Neuspeed Race Suspension w/ Bilstein Sport Shocks
- 17" Ace Lola w/ Bridgestone g-Force T/A KDW-2 (225/45-17)

With the NASA-X classification system that puts me in group TT-E.  And thanks for the links.

Ben


I couldn't get that NASA-X thing to classify me...I end up with 34 points to add to the base rating, which should have put me in an SM class...but it only put me to TT-C (not sure how that compares).

You might consider posting the mods in the
Base class is the GS class...Nice tire choice by the way...IF I'm interpreting the rules right (and that's a big if, I'm new to this) if your rims are 7.5" wide, you'll fall into the STS class, if 8" wide, you'll be in STX.  You may want to post in the Amatuer Racing - Autocross section over on the vortex requesting help on classification.

Ian



Ok, thanks a lot!  My wheels are 17x7.5  And I've been thinking about replacing the current BFGoodrich tires, because I don't want to chew through them in the next coming months, with all the autocrossing I intend to do.  I'm trying to find a set of 4 225/45-17 tires right now that don't cost a lot of money (looking at around $100), that don't necessarily need to have a lot of tread left. Do you tear through tires quite often?

Ben


I've run the BFG KDW-2s for a year, and 4 events...they've held up just fine.

I also just came across THIS, which seems to cofirm the STS classification.
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« Reply #17 on: June 28, 2005, 01:35:42 AM »
I reread the classification rules, and I think you will fall into the STX class (no turbos in the STS class).

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« Reply #18 on: June 28, 2005, 02:28:03 AM »
You think so? For the July 16th school and the July 17th event I've registered as #6 STS.  I don't have the 1.8T, I have the 2.8 30-valve V6.  The only thing is, I looked at the entry list for STS, and none of the cars seem to be that competitive against mine?  Let me know what you think, especially if you thought I belonged in STX due to a turbo, which I don't have.  My biggest question was if the existence of AWD did anything to change my classification.

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« Reply #19 on: June 28, 2005, 04:31:57 AM »
Hey Ben. It was good meeting you at the autocross yesterday. Hope you had a good time there.

results are posted over on ppscc.net

Looks like you got a 1:04. Not a bad time at all for your first time autocrossing. I ended up with a 58.5. I was pushing all over the place!

Anyways with regards to your class. I am not sure if the 2.8 is STS or STX. Either way I don't believe anyone will contest you. You won't be very competitve in either one until you get more seat time and better tires. Regardless, I'd run it in STX since there you can run with more AWD cars like yourself.

Should have tried to get you a ride in my car yesterday. But if you come out on the 18th to PPIR then definitely look for me and I'll give you a ride. Granted, I'll be in the Focus. I think if I had that car out there yesterday, I would have been around the 57 second mark. Better tires on that car.

Oh yeah, some AWD are allowed in STS. And some turbo's are allowed in STS. Jetta/GTI/A4 FWD 1.8T are allowed. A4 AWD is STX. Mazda 323 GTX is both AWD and turbo and it's allowed in STS.

Good luck!
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« Reply #20 on: June 28, 2005, 04:54:09 AM »
Just found this.

http://www.scca-milwaukee.org/Solo/2005/CarClass2005.pdf

Looks like your car is eligible for STS after all.

As for tires. If you are gonna do autocross only tires and don't want to spend the money for real race rubber, then Falken Azenis 215's or 615's or Kumho MX's are the only way to go. All the top STS/STX guys run either of these tires. They stick almost as well as race rubber but for half the price!

Your size Azenis are only 106 bucks a piece here.  However, they may be discontinued for the 615's by now.
http://www.vulcantire.com/falken.htm

Try giving the TireSource up in Boulder a call. They may have some still in stock.

MX's are awesome too.
TireRack.com has them in your size for 136 bucks.
Again, I'd give Tiresource in Boulder a call on those.

Also, Sears Auto does pricematching and they sell Falkens I believe.

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #21 on: June 28, 2005, 01:24:34 PM »
Thanks for the info (and the pictures, nobody else has me in theirs!).  I've been dying to get some better tires for autocross, but the problem is that my student situation makes it hard for me to even afford to ENTER the autocrosses, much less get better tires.  I noticed that the tires weren't doing very well (not that I was either) at the event on Sunday; they didn't grip well and seemed to just slide whenever I put them into a hard turn.  I love them as street tires, but it was clear that they needed to be replaced for Autocross.  In any case, I think the events at PPIR are on the 16th and 17th...if there is one on the 18th, I wouldn't be able to make it.

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« Reply #22 on: June 28, 2005, 01:31:29 PM »
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Thanks for the info (and the pictures, nobody else has me in theirs!).  I've been dying to get some better tires for autocross, but the problem is that my student situation makes it hard for me to even afford to ENTER the autocrosses, much less get better tires.  I noticed that the tires weren't doing very well (not that I was either) at the event on Sunday; they didn't grip well and seemed to just slide whenever I put them into a hard turn.  I love them as street tires, but it was clear that they needed to be replaced for Autocross.  In any case, I think the events at PPIR are on the 16th and 17th...if there is one on the 18th, I wouldn't be able to make it.

Ben


This may be an issue with pressures...I had run the the BFGs for a few races this year, and they did fine (not as good as the Avons, but not too bad).  The events are on the 16th and 17th...I'll be going down for both...do you want to meet up and caravan down?
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« Reply #23 on: June 28, 2005, 01:34:14 PM »
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Thanks for the info (and the pictures, nobody else has me in theirs!).  I've been dying to get some better tires for autocross, but the problem is that my student situation makes it hard for me to even afford to ENTER the autocrosses, much less get better tires.  I noticed that the tires weren't doing very well (not that I was either) at the event on Sunday; they didn't grip well and seemed to just slide whenever I put them into a hard turn.  I love them as street tires, but it was clear that they needed to be replaced for Autocross.  In any case, I think the events at PPIR are on the 16th and 17th...if there is one on the 18th, I wouldn't be able to make it.

Ben


This may be an issue with pressures...I had run the the BFGs for a few races this year, and they did fine (not as good as the Avons, but not too bad).  The events are on the 16th and 17th...I'll be going down for both...do you want to meet up and caravan down?



Yeah, caravan sounds like a good idea. I'm signed up for the driving school on the 16th, but if there are over 40 people, they're going to be doing a raffle. So if I caravan, it'll depend on whether I get in, naturally (crossing my fingers!).  

As far as the BFG's are concerned, maybe I should run different pressures.  What is everybody with A4's running for autocross?

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« Reply #24 on: June 28, 2005, 01:56:54 PM »
Oops. Meant 17th.

See yall there.

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« Reply #25 on: June 28, 2005, 03:38:01 PM »
On my GTI I was running 44/29 f/r...this may be a good starting point (perhaps a little more in the rear), then you can look at the rollover on the tires and decide where to go from there.
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