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« on: August 16, 2005, 06:20:45 PM »
I'm in need of a new daily driver set of tires as I've burned through my BFG KDW-2s. As such, I am researching some of the available choices before making my decision. I am very happy with the performance of the BFGs. This past weekend's autocross which was very wet, and reinforced the need for new tires. The BFGs are practically slicks. I run Avon Tech Rs when dry, so the basic requirement is a daily driveable tire that has good wet performance for occassional (hopefully none at all) wet weather autocrossing. With that said, here's what I'm looking at:

1. BFG KDWs
2. Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s
3. Toyo Proxes T1-Ss
4. Toyo Proxes T1Rs

I'm intrigued by the Toyo T1-Ss as they offer a 500 mile/45 day trial during which I can return them for either a different set or a full refund. Unfortunately, the Toyo's are not offered through TireRack, so I cannot compare user review against the other two (i.e. tread wear ratings, handling ratings). Does anyone have any experience with these tires in a performance setting? How about as daily drivers?

Thanks in advance for any responses.

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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2005, 07:10:32 PM »
I've researched quite a bit and narrowed the list down to Bridgestone RE750s and the Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3s you have listed. Unfortunately I haven't tried either so am not much help!

The price and treadwear have me leaning towards the Bridgestones, but they both look like good tires and are usually well reviewed. Only exception to that is Spicoli who was not so impressed with the GS-D3s; you'll have to ask him about that.... maybe he'll chime in here.

Seems that the GS-D3s are an *exceptional* rain tire, something to keep in mind here in colorado where that is not so useful most of the time.
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« Reply #1 on: August 16, 2005, 07:10:32 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: August 16, 2005, 09:11:32 PM »
Another vote for the Goodyear Eagle F1's.  I had them on the 18's, and wouldnt mind having another set of them on the next car.

For the next ride though, they're have the Yokohama Advans, which I may upgrade to Falken RT615's.

But anyway, for a passenger sport tire, the Goodyears are a great tire.  THe Bridgestones are nice as well, but I dont think they grip as well as my Goodyears.  They are on the 530i in the garage.  Comfortable, and not harsh at all, but get loose here and then.  Goodyears gripped better in the wet then the Bridgestones do.

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« Reply #3 on: August 16, 2005, 10:31:03 PM »
I have the goodyear Eagle F1s.  thumbs down

Wear is amazing... they last a long time and are killer in the wet.  But, traction is not on par with the Toyo's R1s or Michelin PS2s.  I have run both those tires.  Michelins will last a decent while (longer than the R1s), but about 70% of the Eagle F1s.  

Ian if your main goal is wear and tear, then the Eagles are good, but After running the toyo and the michelin, I would rather replace my tires more often to have a little extra fun.
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« Reply #4 on: August 16, 2005, 11:00:54 PM »
I am running the Dunlop Direzza DZ101, ran them on the track, and all summer, nearly 5 K miles on them so far, hardly look worn.  Great in the rain, not a winter tire.  They stick like glue around the corners.  I think they stick as well as the tires I have on my MINI, but run them on the scoobie...holds the 300hp and the suspension with the coilovers, ride comfort is great.  Price was OUTSTANDING....245-45-18 were $127 a tire.  Not bad considering my other options were near twice that price....with the next lowest in the $170 per tire range.

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« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2005, 02:21:55 PM »
Thanks for the feedback guys.  My main goal is to find something that can stand in reasonably well for wet-weather autocross...I'll run the racing slicks for dry.

Jack - Have you run the Toyo R1s in the wet?

On the Dunlops, they seem to be highly rated through TireRack.  Have you done any hard laps in the rain with them?  What's on the MINI?

And, tread wear is not one of the major factors...I think I've gotten ~35K out of my current tires.
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« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2005, 05:53:37 PM »
ian- i am a big fan of the Toyo T1-S. I have had several sets and they are a great bang for the buck. You are more than welcome to try my car out if it will help you make a decision on tires. They have been great in the rain and i rain then several times on my old Subaru at rainly auto-x's and they were great.  One concern it that they are very particular in what air pressure you run them at.

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« Reply #7 on: August 17, 2005, 06:51:26 PM »
Thanks Eric, I may take you up on the offer.  What pressures were they most happy at?
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« Reply #8 on: August 17, 2005, 07:14:07 PM »
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Thanks Eric, I may take you up on the offer.  What pressures were they most happy at?


I spent an afternoon playing with the pyrometer and with my current suspension setup i am set at 38psi front and rear.

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« Reply #9 on: August 17, 2005, 07:20:57 PM »
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On the Dunlops, they seem to be highly rated through TireRack.  Have you done any hard laps in the rain with them?  What's on the MINI?


No track time on the dunlops when it was raining, but ran home on I-70 at 90+ mph from summit county in the rain the entire way, car was as solid as a rock.  I also have run corners around town at speed in the wet, and they did great...best wet tire I feel I have ever owned.

I run Yokohama Prada Spec 2 on the MINI

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« Reply #10 on: August 17, 2005, 08:30:50 PM »
As you know, I have the BFG KDW-2's as well, and you know how they handle, probably better than I.  I like them just fine, but I'm pretty sure I would pick a different tire next time.  Not sure which, but the Bridgestones would definitely be on the list.

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« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2005, 12:33:06 AM »
the Toyo R1s in the wet are a bit slipperly.... for wet I would not recommend them.

The Eagles are THE BEST tire I have ever used in the wet, and wear/tear is pretty impressive.  Dry performance is good, but not great.
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« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2005, 12:36:46 AM »
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the Toyo R1s in the wet are a bit slipperly.... for wet I would not recommend them.

The Eagles are THE BEST tire I have ever used in the wet, and wear/tear is pretty impressive.  Dry performance is good, but not great.


So, for dry traction you recommend the T1-Rs, for wet traction you recommend the Eagles?
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« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2005, 12:45:07 AM »
Ian, if you want to try my 2 cars with the 2 different tire set ups, and you feel like driving up north during the week, I would be happy to let you take them for a little spin to see how they handle...the wagon has the dunlop's and the MINI has the Prada's....both cars are totally different than your set up, but you can get a feel for traction and side wall stability, etc.

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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2005, 12:47:20 AM »
I'd like to take you up on that next week...how far north are you?
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« Reply #15 on: August 19, 2005, 01:13:23 AM »
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