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Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 01, 2004, 02:31:14 PM
Does anyone else have need for a garage day in the near future?  I finally got all the parts I need to replace my brakes and would like to get them changed out in the next few weeks.  Since I'm in a condo I don't really have space to host a garage day, but maybe one of you guys with a new house are ready to host your first garage day?


I'll suggest June 12th or 13th as possible days, but feel free to chime in with other suggestions and also mention what work you need to do on your car.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 01, 2004, 02:54:50 PM
I wouldn't mind hosting June 12th or 13th, but space may be an issue. I only have room for about 3-4 cars, since we are basically in an alley. There is plenty of parking in front of my place though...

I don't really have anything to do to my car, but we could grill up some grub or whatever...
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: aowhaus on June 01, 2004, 03:21:15 PM
I would like to install new brakes.

I just received the cross-drilled and slotted rotors from a CB5 GB, and I just ordered online a set of Axxis (PBR) MetalMaster pads.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 07, 2004, 03:02:21 PM
Bump.  Anyone else have work they need to do on their car soon?  Will you have all your parts by this weekend Alan?  I'm not in a huge hurry so we can push this back a week or two if that works better for people.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 07, 2004, 03:15:07 PM
I will have my Brakes by this weekend, should be here Wednesday.  I would like to replace my Pads and maybe even doa flush since I have no idea when one was last done on my car.

I just need to double check about a wedding shower that might be this weekend.

Also, i need to get in touch with Jon since he has the rear brake caliper tool and the bleeder.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 07, 2004, 03:25:16 PM
I just sent an email to Jon about the bleeder.  I'll try to get it from him this week.  Amanda has her rear brake tool, but loaned it to a friend of hers.  How hard is it to compress the rear calipers without it?  Is that tool something we can borrow from Checker or someplace?
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 07, 2004, 03:36:15 PM
We might be able to get it from checker, some people have used other methods, but I can't recall what they did.

Thanks for getting the bleeder.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: Chas on June 07, 2004, 04:58:37 PM
Well I have some new tie rod ends on the way to me. Should be here sometime this week. I would love to get some help from someone that has either done these or seen it done. They shouldn't be too tough I would guess.

As for rear brake tools, I bought a set of brake compression tools a little while back and they are the total bomb for doing anything with brakes. Front or rear. I'd be happy to bring them. I could probably do my rear brakes too. They seem to be making some noise and that's usually not good.

June 12th is a bad day for me. I'll be way busy that day. What about the 13th?
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 07, 2004, 05:01:55 PM
The 13th might actually be better for me too.  I didn't help Dave with his tie rod ends, but shoot him a PM and see if he's free?
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: Chas on June 07, 2004, 05:07:30 PM
Thanks Alan, I'll do that.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: SweetVW on June 07, 2004, 05:28:19 PM
Chas, let me see, but the 13th sounds like it may work.  Church comes first, but we can go to the early service and that lets out about 9:30, drop the family off then I am free.  I will be glad to lend a hand.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on June 08, 2004, 08:40:31 AM
I'm going to do a tie rod end writeup and post it on CB5 and here as well.  I am shooting to get that done tonight for those doing that this weekend (Chas).
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 08, 2004, 09:40:50 AM
Looks like I am good to go for Saturday or Sunday.  I can bring my 10x10, I guess we could even do stuff at my house.  I need to get the OK from the roommies first.

I'm going to add a poll to this thread for numbers.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: aowhaus on June 08, 2004, 10:01:58 AM
doh! Import Replacement Parts told me the front MetalMaster pads are on back order, I went ahead and got the rears and ordered a pair of the EBC Greenstuff front pads from Tire Rack just now.  All of the pads should arrive by Friday, so I'm good to go this weekend.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 08, 2004, 12:38:53 PM
Sounds like Sunday is still a good day for most people.  Now we just need a location.  Mark, you still willing to host?  Or should we just do this at Jay's?

Sounds like we've got 3 brake jobs and 1 possible tie rod job to do so far.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 08, 2004, 01:13:20 PM
I also have a 33gal Air compressor, some Air Tools, a whimpy floor jack, 2 jack stands and a creeper.

Sunday should work for me, we should be able to do it at my house if Mark doesn't want us soiling his property or getting him on the bad side of his neighbors just yet ;).

I might just have to buy a bunch of beer.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 08, 2004, 01:29:17 PM
I'm still willing to host...it's up to you guys. I'd be more than happy to have all of you over but be forewarned, space is a constraint...Can we start a list of definite work to be done? I have an air compressor, floor jack, jack stands and a few basic tools.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: aowhaus on June 08, 2004, 01:32:07 PM
I'll also bring beer and food for the BBQ, and a pair of jack stands.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 08, 2004, 01:32:27 PM
Sweet, I think that will work if we run a schedule.  We can probably do some work in the street and I'll bring my 10x10 :)

I don't really have any clue how long it will take to do brake pads, I have to do a little cutting and splicing with my front pads due to the different plug type. I know the rears go quick, especially if Chas has brake tooks.

I have twice as many pads up front so i am going to read/print out Jon's instructions as well as ay others I can find about my fronts.  I also need to get some brake fluid.

Anyone know how those guys disposed of brake fluid at the last Garage Day?
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: aowhaus on June 08, 2004, 01:35:28 PM
We emptied all of the brake fluid into an empty Clorox container.
Someone took it down to Checker or other garage/autoshop for recycling.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: shummer on June 08, 2004, 02:05:50 PM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
We emptied all of the brake fluid into an empty Clorox container.
Someone took it down to Checker or other garage/autoshop for recycling.


Yeah, we left it with Jon. Not sure what he did with it.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 08, 2004, 02:34:15 PM
I'll take responsibility for disposing of the old brake fluid.  I'll see if Checker will take it or maybe Champagne motors will dispose of it for us.

If Chas can't make it on Sunday, can one of you try to get his rear brake tool?  I'll hopefully get Jay's bleeder from Jon tomorrow.

I'll let Jay & Mark flip a coin to decide who plays host for us.  I'll bring my jack stands and floor jack too.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 08, 2004, 02:35:05 PM
It's all Mark unless he doesn't want to do it :)
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 09, 2004, 03:14:12 PM
Ok, picked up the bleeder from Jon today.

I haven't had time to search clubb5 for good brake replacement write-ups.  Have you guys come across any good ones?  I've got my Haynes manual too, but need to find time to look thru it before Sunday.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 09, 2004, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
It's all Mark unless he doesn't want to do it :)


[Tone Loc voice] Let's do it...[/Tone Loc voice]
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: SweetVW on June 10, 2004, 06:33:06 AM
I am in, I am not doing anything to my car, just there to help.

I can also stop by Chas's house and pick up the tool if he cannot make it.  I hope he can!
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: shummer on June 10, 2004, 08:01:18 AM
Am I the only one that hasn't been to Mark's place? Send me your address mang. I'll try and show up around noon.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 10, 2004, 08:22:32 AM
Quote from: "shummer"
Am I the only one that hasn't been to Mark's place? Send me your address mang. I'll try and show up around noon.


Actually, JR, Eric, Pat and Jason are the only people from the Club that I've had over...I'll PM you my address. Who else needs my address? Send me a PM...

Thanks.

Mark
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 10, 2004, 08:35:29 AM
List of those attending...chime in if I forgot your name.

velo
aowhaus
gietl
StarlightB5
shummer
Chas (maybe)
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: DenverPat on June 10, 2004, 08:38:03 AM
Sorry, I can't make it.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: shummer on June 10, 2004, 08:45:21 AM
Quote from: "velo"
I haven't had time to search clubb5 for good brake replacement write-ups.  Have you guys come across any good ones?  I've got my Haynes manual too, but need to find time to look thru it before Sunday.


Installing brake pads and rotors (http://www.clubb5.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=34022)

Pics don't work, but it has text describing them.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: SweetVW on June 10, 2004, 08:26:17 PM
Quote from: "madigan"
Actually, JR, Eric, Pat and Jason are the only people from the Club that I've had over...I'll PM you my address. Who else needs my address? Send me a PM...

Thanks.

Mark


I do!
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 10, 2004, 08:42:25 PM
Mark I need it as well please
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 10, 2004, 11:02:57 PM
Mark, can you send me your address also?

What time do you guys want to get started on Sunday?  I need to help my roommate move a little bit first thing in the morning, but can probably make it to Mark's by 10 a.m.  I could drop the brake bleeder off at Jay's on Saturday if you need it first thing on Sunday.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: Chas on June 10, 2004, 11:04:06 PM
I'll be there too guys. Mark what time are we planning on starting? And I'll need your addy too. I'll send you a PM asking for it. Here's the catcher for me, I can only be there till noon. My wife has some plans of her own. So I plan on being there as early as possible. Mark, you just say when I can be there.  8)  :-D

Also, Dave, is it possible to get the tie rod ends done in only a few hours? I think you're the only one to have done these so far. I have all the parts including the new bolts. I can't see how it could be all that difficult, but I'm not sure. Your help will be greatly appriciated on this one. I know you said you have church in the morning. I'm sure I can muddle through.  :P

I'll bring my brake piston compression tools as well as my hand tools, but I have to say that after the last massive garage day I'm a bit itchy about loaning out my tools. I had a few (smaller) tools go missing and they never got returned. So please don't be offended if I am constaintly asking where my stuff is.

I'll also bring a floor jack and my jack stands. I can leave the brake tools, jack and stands if they are still needed when the time comes for me to leave. I just need a promise that they'll get returned to me once the garage day is done. I really need my tools to at my finger tips when I need them. I hate having to track them down. I hope everyone understands and doesn't think I'm an A$$hole. I just like having my stuff when I need it.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 10, 2004, 11:11:39 PM
Chas, I totally understand what you mean about keeping close eye on your tools.  I've always tried to keep close tabs on my tools at garage days.  Not that I have nice tools, but it's just a pain when a tools goes missing and you have to go replace it.

I'll be happy to get your brake tool back to you ASAP.  It's the least I can do to thank you for loaning it to us.  See ya Sunday!
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: SweetVW on June 11, 2004, 04:53:14 AM
Chas I will get there as soon as I can.  Winston has also done this and created a great write-up, I have the link below.  Big thing is to hit the end of the tie rod where the tie rod ends and the tie rod boot/bolt meets and let it soak for 15-20 min.  Use either WD40 or I used PBBlaster (similar stuff that worked well for me).  The other big thing is using one or two vise grips for clamping leverage.  I have two that you can use if needed.

If you can get your wheels off and spray the tie rods and let it soak, by the time I get there you and I can hit each side and get it done pretty quickly.  Remember that you will need an alignment after this.

 Winston's tie rod write-up: (http://www.rmcb5.com/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=1112)

Lastly, roger that on the tools.  Evidently, I was a major culprit at Jon's garage day.  I think with my tools and tools box so near Jon's stuff that some people may have gotten confused.  I think both Jon and I were relieved to get it straightened out.  I do not know if he ever got everything back.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 11, 2004, 09:31:48 AM
Chas, what time do you have in mind? I'm up for anything...no pun intended. :lol:
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: aowhaus on June 11, 2004, 09:46:23 AM
I'll be there at 10am or whenever guys decide when -- Stapleton is only a short drive for me.
What sould we do on food?  Mark, do you have a BBQ?

My tie rod ends needs replacing after running over some serious road debris, but the dealership is working on it as I speak (at $460 including alignment, along with a new CV at $275, and a new tranny gasket $407), but then again we have a lot to do on Sunday anyways.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 11, 2004, 10:02:57 AM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
I'll be there at 10am or whenever guys decide when -- Stapleton is only a short drive for me.
What sould we do on food?  Mark, do you have a BBQ?

My tie rod ends needs replacing after running over some serious road debris, but the dealership is working on it as I speak (at $460 including alignment, along with a new CV at $275, and a new tranny gasket $407), but then again we have a lot to do on Sunday anyways.


I have a BBQ and King Soopers is two blocks away if we need to pick up anything. I will pick up some stuff on Saturday, but everyone should bring anything they might want...We can just do the standard stuff; burgers, brats, sausages, etc...
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: aowhaus on June 11, 2004, 10:23:49 AM
cool, my firm designed the King Soopers (along with all the buildings at the end/entrance of Town Green), it will finally give me an excuse to take a look around.

Actually, I'll pick up a bunch of awesome fresh homemade brauts from Whole Foods.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 11, 2004, 10:37:17 AM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
Actually, I'll pick up a bunch of awesome fresh homemade brauts from Whole Foods.


Sounds good. I was going to pick up brats from Whole Foods too, but I'll let you do that, since the ones you had at your last GTG were amazing!
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 11, 2004, 11:15:13 AM
Steve from Shadetree software might be interested in coming I think.  Someone had posted aboutdoing brakes on AW (A6 forum) and I mentioned we were going some Passats and my Audi and he seemed interested.

They make the pro-diag software for hand helds which is very similar to VAG-COM.  Which by the way i will have my Pro-Diag with me on Sunday if anyone needs to do or check anything.

So I told him to e-mail me about Sunday for details.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: Chas on June 11, 2004, 10:42:07 PM
How about 9am Mark? Is that too early. I really want to get this done. But if that's too early for you, let me know. It's your call. :)
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 12, 2004, 12:42:11 PM
Quote from: "Chas"
How about 9am Mark? Is that too early. I really want to get this done. But if that's too early for you, let me know. It's your call. :)


See you at 9am Chas!

Mark
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 12, 2004, 03:03:08 PM
Still need your address Mark.  PM it to me if you can.  If I don't hear from you, I'm pretty sure I've got your number and will just call in the a.m.  I'm hoping to show up by about 10 or so.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 12, 2004, 07:54:15 PM
Okay guys. We are starting the day around 9am, so feel free to show up any time after 9am. Bring anything you might want to eat or drink...We're going to grill up some grub for lunch. If you don't feel like bringing anything, King Soopers is two blocks away...I also have wireless access in my garage if anyone wants to bring their laptop...I have a Bently and part # guide...um, I think that's about it. See you in the morning! Give me a call if anything comes up.

Mark
303.839.1134
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: shummer on June 12, 2004, 08:39:01 PM
Hey guys,

I'm going to be a little late like after 1pm. Hopefully I can still lend a hand if anybody is still around.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: DenverPat on June 12, 2004, 08:50:16 PM
If anyone will be attending this garage day that lives near Wads/470 and could pick me up on the way, it'd be appreciated.  Otherwise I might just do the light rail/bike thing.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: Chas on June 12, 2004, 10:15:52 PM
See ya all in the morning!

So Pat, is the car in the shop or is the clutch that bad that it won't drive any more? Hopefully it's in the shop getting new clutch parts.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: DenverPat on June 13, 2004, 06:23:21 AM
I can still drive it, but it does NOT feel good.  I'm just letting it sit at the mechanic's until the part gets here Tuesday or Wednesday.
I may not show today at Mark's.  Not sure I want to bike/light rail it if I can just go for a regular ride instead.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: SweetVW on June 13, 2004, 06:52:31 PM
Mark, Thanks for hosting today's garage day.  I had a lot of fun and you have a wonderful house.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: madigan on June 13, 2004, 08:30:50 PM
I had a fun time hosting today's garage day. Space wasn't a problem either...a few tools were left behind (see pic) and a some Gojo (Alan W.). Check out the pics here:

http://www.rmcb5.com/modules.php?set_albumName=6-13-04-Garage-Day-at-Marks&op=modload&name=Gallery&file=index&include=view_album.php

Thanks to everyone who stopped by!

Please contact Alan (velo) if any of these are your tools. He has taken responsibility for them. Thanks!
(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/233533/tools.jpg)
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on June 14, 2004, 12:06:04 PM
Nice looking brakes guys!  Looks like it was a great day!

Hey Alan R. One thing I noticed is that you have the slots on your discs going inward as they spin.  When I got mine they are going the opposite way.  I did this because they were marked L and R.  

My first thought was "This isn't right" followed by "Well if that's the right way, I guess I had better do it.

Is there a preferred way?

Thanks,
W
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 14, 2004, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: "ColoradoB5"
Hey Alan R. One thing I noticed is that you have the slots on your discs going inward as they spin.  When I got mine they are going the opposite way.  I did this because they were marked L and R.  

My first thought was "This isn't right" followed by "Well if that's the right way, I guess I had better do it.

Is there a preferred way?

Thanks,
W


You bring up a good question.  I initially thought the rotors should be installed the reverse of the way I did so, but asked on clubb5 just to be sure.  Turns out that you should "install the rotors on the side of the vehicle that results in the end of the slot nearest the outer edge of the rotor always contacting the brake pads first".  That quote is from a tirerack page describing the Brembo slotted rotors (http://www.tirerack.com/brakes/brakes.jsp?make=Brembo&model=Sport+Slotted+Rotor).

I also was referred to this site for Baer brake systems (http://www.baer.com/Support/TechTips.aspx?TechTipID=2) which recommends similar installation.  However, Alan W's rotors came labelled "right" and "left" in the opposite of what I'd read, so I think he installed his reversed of the way I did.  My feeling is that since the vanes in the middle of the rotors are straight and not curved, it probably doesn't matter.  In race applications you might notice a difference, but for those of us who track our cars only occasionally, it probably won't matter much.  (I could be wrong though.)

Alan W, that Baer site has the rotor seasoning and pad bedding instructions I was showing you yesterday in case you want to look at them.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on June 14, 2004, 12:35:14 PM
Thanks Alan.  That is exactly what I was thinking as well.  I just assumed ECS was correct and you know what that means...

I'll send them an email just to confirm.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: velo on June 14, 2004, 12:39:03 PM
OH, and thanks again to Mark (and Lisa) for playing host to us all.  Thanks to Dave and Andrew for stopping by and lending a hand even though they didn't have any work to do on their own cars.  And thanks to Chas and Jay for the loan of their brake tool and bleeder.

You guys rock! :D
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 14, 2004, 12:54:35 PM
Double those props to everyone.  I know I only had time to get my rears done, but it was great to see everyone.

Alan, thanks for dropping everything off last night.
Title: Garage Day?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on June 15, 2004, 06:36:27 AM
Quote from: "ColoradoB5"
Thanks Alan.  That is exactly what I was thinking as well.  I just assumed ECS was correct and you know what that means...

I'll send them an email just to confirm.


Just got a confirmation from Adam at ECS Tuning:

Quote from: "Adam @ ECS Tuning"
The way in which we have slots does matter.  Here is how they should look.
(You might have to use your imagination a little)  The drivers side the
slots should go like this [  /  ]  The passenger side [  \  ]  If this still
does not help or you have some more questions please let me know and I would
be glad to help you out.