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Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 21, 2004, 12:42:17 PM
*sits back and waits for the cracks about my own height*

I just bought:

Koni sport shocks
Eibach Sportline springs (1.8" drop)
Neuspeed 25mm front sway
Neuspeed 28mm rear sway

And well, now I gotta figure out how to get all my goodies installed. Does anyone have recommendations locally, or can someone give me a really big  hand?
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: DenverPat on June 21, 2004, 12:47:52 PM
Wow, your car should handle REALLY well after all that!  That's a biiiig drop.
I don't have a garage, but I'd be happy to lend a hand if you can find one.  Don't pay someone to do it.  We'll take care of it.  I'm sure someone will chime in soon.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 21, 2004, 12:50:07 PM
Looks like we'll need another suspension Garage Day :) I'm booked the next 2 weekends.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: kraut-sled on June 21, 2004, 12:59:57 PM
I would be happy to lend a hand.

Time for a GTG I think
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 21, 2004, 01:06:04 PM
Yeah, i'm pretty much buzzing with excitement. =)

It was kind of a toss up between getting either the springs, shocks AND sways... or for the same price just getting coil-overs.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: tweakeDub on June 21, 2004, 02:16:14 PM
Hell yeah i'm down for lending a hand a gettingto know some more people into the b5's, plus I can learn for how to do mine
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 21, 2004, 02:51:12 PM
A, maybe we can do them at the shop sometime, let me check with Randy, we can toss your car on the lift once we get he power wired in for that.  If not, I have spring compressors that you can use.  I can't help on weekends due to work at the hopsital, but on weekdays, we can maybe work something out for exchange of services, shop time for internet/web site support...I'll get back to you later this week

cheers
jon
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: Colorado_Baja on June 21, 2004, 08:36:29 PM
Ill help. On any week day. (tue wed or thurs)

Also I just PMed you a question.:)
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 22, 2004, 08:44:56 AM
I'm pretty easy. I'm free any weekend at anytime, or any evening after 5:30.

(replied to your PM, Greg)

If i'm to believe the fine fellows at shox.com everything should be here Thursday or Friday.  Woooooooo!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: aowhaus on June 22, 2004, 01:14:46 PM
I'm very disappointed, Andrew.
I thought you're getting a set of 12" chromies with a 10" offset from that garage on Colfax East.  Pedro is also selling a set of killer gold fenders and door edge trim.  Totally ghettolicious!!!

BTW, did you talk to Daryl at Shox?
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 22, 2004, 01:28:17 PM
Ba-Da-BLING!

Well, i was thinking the 1.8 drop wouldn't be enough and i could always cut the Eibach's, put the stock shocks on and get that great little 2 block *bounce*bounce*bounce* after every bump.

It's all about the bounce baby!!!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: ColoradoB5 on June 22, 2004, 08:22:27 PM
Hey Andrew,

That's great!  You are gonna love the drop.  If I wasn't having a baby any time now, I would have you come over to install the shocks and springs.  That job is about 4 hours alone.

We should have another garage day coming up soon though!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 22, 2004, 11:09:39 PM
Andrew, I talked to Randy, we can hook you up in exchange for some internet work...he has big plans, looking for some new support...he is out of town for a bit at a huge MINI gathering, but will be back a week from Monday...we can hook you up that week if you want...if you can wait that long.  We can toss your car on the lift, and get it done fast with all the tools there.

Let me know if you are interested, he is in exchange for internet web support help.

cheers
jon
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: jayryan on June 23, 2004, 06:08:55 AM
1.8" drop! That's sick! I'm sitting I think just a tad lower than 1.75...it's tons 'o fun...but I kind wanna be lower, so I'm going get adjustable shox soon. You're gonna LOVE it!
I'll stop by the shop and help if I have the time or just hang and pretend I'm a real racer...hehehe
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 23, 2004, 06:28:06 AM
I dropped my car 4" this morning...oh wait, hehehe, it does that with a touch of a button, hehehe.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 23, 2004, 08:24:04 AM
Like i said jon, i'm totally down with trade and a shop & lift would make this job a lot easier. I should have prefaced this with the fact that I've never done this install so i'm gonna need a lot of help.

As far as waiting that long, id like to get them installed as soon as possible (duhh), but if we can hook this up before the next Garage Day that works for me.

Of course I want to make sure Randy is cool with whatever trade agreement we come to.  We'll just have to chat when he gets back in town.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 23, 2004, 03:22:37 PM
sounds good andrew.  We are waiting to get power to the lift, but Randy is working on that.  He leaves town tomorrow or Friday and will be back a week from Monday.  We can talk then, since the lift will be operational, and I have experience, we both plan to help you out, but want to teach you as well as we get it done.

So consider it a done deal and we can work out a time for the week after next for install time and you can talk with Randy then about trade of services...I will leave that up to you guys, but I think it will be mutually beneficial.

cheers
jon
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 23, 2004, 03:34:12 PM
That sounds absolutely awesome Jon, thank you so much for making this possible!

There also seems to be some interest in others in checking this out. I don't want Randy to be uncomfortable with people being there, or of course potentially put him at risk to any sort of insurance dilemmas. We should chat with him about this as well.

Week after next would be perfect. Im off on a road trip through the mountains on the 10th of July and would LOVE to feel the difference in handling over the passes!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 28, 2004, 08:19:43 AM
Andrew, can we shoot for Wednesday or Thursday of next week, Randy is not back, but I can be sure that i will be there to help and we have plenty of room to get it all done.

So, that means July 7th or 8th?  Do those days work for you, we can even do a later afternoon/evening install if the day time is an issue with your work.

Let me know
cheers
jon
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 28, 2004, 08:31:54 AM
Sounds great to me on either day.

I'm off work at 5:30 on weekdays. Starting downtown about a block from the Wynkoop Brewery, I could get out to the shop in Littleton in around a half an hour or so depending on traffic, of course. So maybe around six?

If need be, I may be able to skip out of work a little early that day but I can stay... *shrug* well the whole night as if it would really came to that. Ahh, the luxury of being recently single.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 28, 2004, 08:37:30 AM
That sounds good, I doubt Randy will be there that long, but I would be more than willing to get you through the process...as long as you don't mind getting your hands dirty along with me.  Between the 2 of us, we can get it done.  Pick a day, and we will lock it in.

cheers
jon

ps, being single does have its advantages sometimes..hehehe
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 28, 2004, 08:48:22 AM
Let's do Wednesday then. I'm more than happy to get everything dirty. I'm excited that this is going to be a hands-on experience.

Will we be able to do the alignment there as well? I figure I could limp home and then to Discount or something in the morning to take care of that if nothing else.

Once again, thank you so much jon!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 28, 2004, 08:58:00 AM
we don't have our allignment rack yet, still waiting for it to be delivered, looks like the end of July for that one, sorry.  Your allignment should be ok for the most part, and only minimal adjustmenst, if any at all, should be needed.  We are not adjusting control arms or things like that, no caster or camber changes, so allignment should stay relatively the same, despite what we are doing...I have never gotten an allignment on any of the cars I lowered or did sways on, and everything was fine for me.  You can get it checked before you leave town, but drive it first and see how it feels...

So, plan on Wednesday the 7th, and get there as soon as you can, 3911 Norwood Drive, Littleton.  If you need diretions, let me know and I will give you more details.

cheers
jon
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: kt037 on June 29, 2004, 10:42:17 PM
way to go! nice purchase! your car will handle like a monster after that is installed and dialed in right!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: GTIguy on June 30, 2004, 04:31:33 AM
Actually since you're lowering the car the toe will be off and an alignment should be performed otherwise you will be eating up your front tires.

Just a suggestion to keep in mind.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 30, 2004, 08:28:09 AM
I figure either way i'll take her in before my little road trip and get it checked, can't hurt and like you said GTIguy, i'd much sooner do that than pay for a new set of tires.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: kraut-sled on June 30, 2004, 03:06:44 PM
Get an allignment ASAP - GTIguy is right on the money.  I have chewed through a perfectly good set of tires becasue I waited 500 miles to do it.

The results will be worth the extra money.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on June 30, 2004, 03:21:30 PM
Point well taken, the next day instead of lunch it is then :)
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 30, 2004, 05:56:40 PM
see, I had the opposite experience, dropped the car, then had 8K miles on it before I sold it, tires were fine, sold them to Alan R. and they were essentially perfect.  So in my case, also a B5.5 like Randy, I had no issues with tires or allignment...go figure.

cheers
jon
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: jayryan on July 01, 2004, 05:16:22 AM
I had alignment issues, but only after I put 250 on them the day after I lowered my car...hmmm, uneven wear...
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on July 08, 2004, 08:55:09 AM
Well, the "shortening surgery" is complete and while the process was longer and harder than expected, the results are nothing less than extraordinary! My car feels just fantastic with damn near zero roll a comfortably stiff ride.

I will take some pics tonight and finally get my members ride page put together.

HUGE thanks go to Jon who stuck by until 12:30AM to finish the job and Randy and his shop at Webb Motorsports:

Shame free plug:
http://www.webbmotorsports.com

Without these guys who, no matter how much of a pain in the ass getting those front shocks out and THEN the new ones back in, were always smiling and cracking jokes.

The entire drive home was one gigantic smile, and I'm sure the one this weekend is gonna be full on laugh-out-loud experience. Don't know how my uncle who gets to ride with me will appreciate my antics, but I told Jon I'd count how many times his hand reaches for the oh sh*t handle during the drive. ;)
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: ColoradoB5 on July 08, 2004, 09:52:59 AM
That's awesome Andrew.  I remember the first time I drove in my car after upgrading the suspension and I have to say, that is probably the biggest change you can make.  It makes a huge difference in the entire demeanor of the car, and for the better too.

I can't wait to see pics!  Now you are gonna have to make it out to the track day to really get a feel for the improvement!

Winston
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: kraut-sled on July 08, 2004, 09:58:42 AM
I too will never forget the first dive with a new suspention.  I smile just thinking about it.

Do not forget the allignment and hopefully we will see you at the Track Day in August.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 34k on July 08, 2004, 10:00:37 AM
You can bet on it Winston! I need to waste these Kumhos so i have an excuse to get something stickier!

It's at the shop getting the alignment as i type this. No worries there!
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 08, 2004, 10:03:35 AM
Awesome!

I did my suspension, then 2 days later got chipped, let's just say I was a mad man with corners and curves enjoying both.

Props to Jon and Randy for the shop and help.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on July 08, 2004, 02:32:20 PM
Andy, glad you are enjoying the ride.  It was quite the learning experience, but now we know some tricks for the next one we do, hehehe.

Can you believe it, we were still cracking jokes as we opened the doors at 745am this morning...maybe it was that we were so slap happy, who knows, but we got that mess cleaned up and got a lot of regular business taken car of.

Again, thanks for dinner last night, I was starting to get the shakes I was so hungry.

Enjoy your drive this weekend, watch out for smokey, and do give us a talley on the number of handle grabbes your uncle makes, that is gonna make me laugh.

cheers
jon
Title: Canyon Carving
Post by: 34k on July 12, 2004, 09:11:33 AM
The car felt incredible through the canyons.  It has a slight but noticeable over steer bias now :lol: and is very predictable. 85-95mph through the sweepers in Glenwood Canyon are a piece of cake now. The thing just stays planted even over the expansion joints.

As far as my uncle is concerned, he just held onto the passenger door handle the entire way, but HE WAS EGGING ME ON! Several times we hit 125mph in the canyons west of Denver while playing with a kid in a Jetta. When I would back off and cool down through some of the straighter areas and someone would pass me he'd get on my case about it.

I have to rank this up as one of my favorite drives to Aspen to date!
:cool:
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: ColoradoB5 on July 12, 2004, 12:29:33 PM
Awesome!  Suspension is so underrated!

I think it should always be mod # 1 for a VW.  Just had to opine on that.
Title: My Car Is Too Tall!
Post by: 03Indigo on July 12, 2004, 03:10:55 PM
Andrew, great report, I am so glad the car was that much fun for you.  Wish I was with you, that drive sounded awesome!!!!!

cheers
jon