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Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 11, 2004, 06:29:57 AM
Ok here is the deal...
I've been searching this forum endlessly to find a solution to my problem. First off, all the posts I've read about surging, hesitation, ect. compare and don't. Seems to be a lot of people have the same problem or a similar problem but no real solution.

The car:
2000 Golf 1.8t AWD
Forge DV, Neuspeed P-Flo, MBC (Ball and spring type installed Between stock N75 and Wastegate)

The problem:
Most noticable time is when cruising and hammer the loud pedal. Car starts to accellerate, starts building boost, then it hiccups. Very brief, quick loss of power. RPMs rise like normal, makes power like normal from 4K up to redline. Sometimes it will do this two and sometimes three times before hitting 4K.

Originally, I thought this only occured between 3000 and 4000 rpm, but I have been testing it and I can get it to do it at a lower rpm. (2500) It's hard to get much boost out of a motor turning 2500 rpm but I managed.

I've run all summer sittin at 14-15psi max boost without any problems what so ever. This is recent.

Car runs rich, even at 15psi, all the way to redline. A/F gauge blips maybe one light leaner after it hiccups. Boost DOESN'T change, runs up to 15psi and holds until 4K then slowly creeps down to 10psi like usual.

I thought it was because I had the mbc set too high, so I dropped it down. Even at 10psi it still happens. It isn't as noticeable since the car isn't as powerful, but it still hiccups.

Things checked:

Alternator checked fine
MAF unplugged - same problem
Fuel filter - replaced - same problem
plugs - copper stock temp - same problem

This is my first dub but not my first car that I've turned up. Loved it since I bought it used with 40K on it. Now at 90K. Any of the 1.8t gurus help is always appreciated.

I don't have a vagcom but if anyone is near Ft. Collins or Loveland and willing to help, let me know.  I'm usually down in Denver most weekends, maybe I could meet up with someone then.

Thanks again.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 11, 2004, 09:03:26 AM
Hmmm thats some weird stuff you have going on here.  I have a 2000 GLS AWD 1.8T so I feel your pain.

Here are a couple thoughts that I have on the subject>

Coil packs-- Since your car will hiccup on a consistant basis this probly isant the problem but since the coil packs are recall from VWOA you might as well have them checked out if you havent allready. Also if it were coil packs you would have a check light on the dash most likely.
   
Fuel system-- You said that the fuel filter was replaced, but have you ever cleaned the fuel system? Ill see if I can find the post in just a minuate but, I would recomend puting some fuel system cleaner thru it. Some people prefer a spesfic type of cleaner but I always use what they have at the gas station, usually STP or something like that. This wont be an instant fix, I had to put about 6 bottles or so in their before I really noticed a diffrence, and it was like night and day.

Lastly I would find someone with a VAG and check it just to see whats on their.

Post up if you have any more questions or if I missed any thing, sorry its early for me.

Good luck.

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 11, 2004, 09:21:02 AM
Thanks for the reply...

I have run BG 44K through the fuel system.  Just one can though.  Maybe I should try a couple more.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 11, 2004, 09:30:51 AM
Quote from: "Chop_Shop"
Thanks for the reply...

I have run BG 44K through the fuel system.  Just one can though.  Maybe I should try a couple more.


44K thats the one that I was trying to think of, like i said i had to run one bottle per tank for about 6 tanks, but it made a huge diffrence for my car.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: jayryan on October 11, 2004, 10:19:23 AM
I know you have a Forge, but just for giggles and elimination, change out the DV and try it again.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 11, 2004, 10:41:19 AM
Quote from: "jayryan"
I know you have a Forge, but just for giggles and elimination, change out the DV and try it again.


Just curious where you're headed with this...

If the forge wasn't holding, I would see a loss of boost pressure, which I don't.  Am I missing something?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: jayryan on October 11, 2004, 10:57:21 AM
You wouldn't necessarily show a loss in boost if it's as minor as your suggesting. When my first TT DV went out, it was just surging, I didn't lose any boost pressure until the surging worsened and occured sooner in the spool up.
Just a thought from my experience.
I agree with Greg though, make sure you also check the plugs and coil packs.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 11, 2004, 11:06:45 AM
One possibility for you Greg(sorry, kinda OT here) could be plug gap. The common consensus seems to be to remove .004 per +50HP at the crank. With our chipped cars we should be running .028 instead of the stock .0315

Dunno if you did this, but I haven't. I've noticed just a teeny weenie bit of this sort of hesitation but I haven't squarely narrowed it down to an engine issue or how sensitive the throttle is when on boost It might simply a problem with my toe pressure on the pedal. It's certainly not consistent for me so I usually chalk it up to the driver and I've never noticed it at wide open throttle.

Just a thought.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 11, 2004, 11:13:33 AM
The plug gap will be done after work today.  Thanks for the help.  This site is a hell of a lot more helpful than the vortex...

 8O
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 11, 2004, 11:24:00 AM
Yeah, the MKIV forum on the vortex is... well you know.

So this three Golf GLSs we've got on RMCB5, neat! I'm feeling outnumbered. :)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 11, 2004, 12:23:20 PM
This info was taken from the 1.8t engine fourm on the Tex,

Quote
For every additional 50HP over stock, a general rule is:
--1 heat range colder
--gap shrinks by .004
So, a chipped 1.8T would make good use ofa plug one range colder gapped to .028

>Stock spark plugs NGK PFR6Q stock gap .032"

--Common replacements
Autolite 3923
Autolite 3922 (one heat range colder)
Denso Iridium IK20
Denso Iridium IK22 (one heat range colder)
Bosch F7LTCR
NGK BKR7E (Race plug, one range colder)
*avoid BKR7E-11 as the factory gap is too large, .042*

Reference: From NGK's FAQ: Spark Plug Gap

"Another consideration that should be taken into account is the extent of any modifications that you may have made to the engine. As an example, when you raise compression or add forced induction (a turbo system, nitrous or supercharger kit) you must reduce the gap (about .004" for every 50 hp you add). However, when you add a high power ignition system (such as those offered by MSD, Crane, Nology) you can open the gap from .002-.005"."

Torque Settings for your plugs

(referenced from the Autolite website)

Thread Diameter......................Aluminum Heads
.................................Pound Feet........Newton Meters
14mm Crush Gasket...15 - 22 lb. ft.........20 - 30 nm



Andy makes an exelent point, im not sure if you should gap down on a stock heat range plug as this refrences gaping down with a cooler heat range. It may be just fine to do but i just havent done the research on it.

I tryed to find this plug Autolite 3922 (one heat range colder) at the local pep boys and they told me that they couldent get it for me. I was busy and havent had a chance to look other places but ya.

Sorry for the huge post.

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 11, 2004, 01:31:30 PM
Well I got all the prep cooking that I needed to do done early. Im cooking for my parents freinds tomarow.

Im going to go gap my stock heat range plugs down to .028 (if I can find my plug gapper) and see what happens, hopefully nothing will break. the car is running really well right now.

Edit:
Quote from: "34k"
So this three Golf GLSs we've got on RMCB5, neat! I'm feeling outnumbered. :)

We have allready started a secret Golf club with out you Andy!  :P Just kidding  :lol:  :lol:
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: coveredbytheblood on October 12, 2004, 07:48:37 AM
Yeah, it's called Golfs anonymous.  Hi My name is Andrew.  And I am a Golf owner....
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: ColoradoB5 on October 12, 2004, 08:02:21 AM
That's interesting about the plug gap for increased horsepower.  I haven't heard that before.  I want to give that a try too.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 12, 2004, 08:11:41 AM
Oh yeah, I forgot the introduction...

My name is Dan and I'm well... a golf owner too...

 8)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 08:21:59 AM
Well boys and girls, yesterday afternoon I gaped my stock heat range plugs down to .028 and well. I dont think that it did any harm thats for sure. Only noticeable diffrence is the idle is alot smoother and the tick that my engine has (VW assured me it was normal) is definately not as loud.

So ill chalk it up as a success...


Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 08:27:32 AM
No no, i won't do it! It's a GTI!
:twisted: GTI :twisted:

Get away from that phone. Don't even THINK about an intervention.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 08:34:15 AM
Quote from: "34k"
No no, i won't do it! It's a GTI!
:twisted: GTI :twisted:

Get away from that phone. Don't even THINK about an intervention.


Its OK Andy, no one is going to hurt you or you GTI. I supose that we could accept you as one of our own, all that your missing is a bland interior and 2 extra doors. So its kinda like the same thing. Now these B5 kids they are the ones that we need to try and save. 8O  :lol:  LOL
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 12, 2004, 08:44:42 AM
So the plug gap fixed the hiccup?  Or did you not have the similar problem?

I didn't have time after work yesterday to work on it, hopefully today.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 08:48:54 AM
Quote from: "Chop_Shop"
So the plug gap fixed the hiccup?  Or did you not have the similar problem?

I didn't have time after work yesterday to work on it, hopefully today.


Ive never noticed the hiccup that your talking about in my car, the throttle responce on my car is extreamly sensitive. Like if im driveing in third gear and let off the gas, and then just tap it with my toe the car will lurch kind of and then once I apply even pressure it will even it self out. But I dont think thats the same thing that your seeing.

It did smooth out my idle a ton! and quiet it a bit at idle too...
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 12, 2004, 08:58:32 AM
How are you running 21psi?  If I dare ask...

 8O
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 09:20:07 AM
REVO software my man. Its fantastic. Let me see if I can find the link that im looking for, Ill edit this post in a second and add it.

In the mean time this is the rest of the crap thats done to my car.
http://rmcb5.com/ftopicp-16916.html
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 09:28:08 AM
Ok here is just about everything that you wanted to know about ECU modification... Again courtsey of the 1.8T fourm FAQ, Vortex.

NOTE: Be sure to check out the links to the respective sites at the bottom of the post for more spesfic info on each company.

And here we go---
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1.Chips- A chip is the most common modifacation for the 1.8t. There are many companies with chips currently out but the 5 biggest are GIAC, APR, Neuspeed, REVO and Upsolute (Those are in no particlar order) I'll try to be as objective as possible here. Each are going to offer a significant power increase and choosing a chip can sometimes be a tough decision so you have to chose what fits your needs. First off try to get a ride in as many different chipped cars as possible so you can get a feel for each chip and its power delivery. I won't say who has the most power cause they are all close but I'll go over the benefits of each. APR has EMCS which basically lets you use your cruise control buttons to switch between different chipped modes, such as stock, chipped, valet, and race. They also have a lockout function, a fault code erase function. APR also has direct port programming as well now which means that the ECU is flashed with the chipped program through the cars on board diagnostic port. They have dealers throghout the country and also offer many other products such as exhausts and turbo upgrades. GIAC also has stock mode, a race program, and regular chipped program. GIAC currently has 2 ways in which they can chip your ECU. They can either install a socketed chip that contains 1 program or they can install a socket that contains multiple programs. IBE chip switch gives the owner of the car the ability to switch between stock, chipped, race, and valet I beleive with a small remote. GIAC has been around a very long time and they also have dealers thruout the country. GIAC also has done the programming for the K04 kit, and will be doing the upcoming Dubwerks turbo kit, so he also has other products out there. Upsolute is a nationwide firm but they do not have dealers through the country, instead they usually have a representative in the state itself who does their chipping. They do not use a socket and instead just reflash your chip with the chip program and resolder it to the board. They offer to return you to stock for dealer visits though. I'm Not positive but I think there is a small fee for this. Upsolute now also has a chip switch program for older 1.8t's and for AWD motor's. Another major chip tuner that has been around since the beginning of the watercooled tuning industry is Neuspeed. They also flash the chip the same way as Upsolute does so if the ECU is opened it's appearence remains stock. Neuspeed currently has chips for all 1.8t model's and they also offer a K04 upgrade for the B5 Passat's, Beetle and AWD Jetta's and Golf's. Neuspeed also is CARB exempt on all of their chips which no other chip manufactorer is. Meaning their chips are totally street legal. This is a big plus for people in states that are very strict when it comes to mods and warranties. REVO is a newer company in the tuning world but they seem to have an execellant product. REVO gives the ability to the cars owner to change settings on a chip if you pruchases their SPS device. This device lets you turn up the boost, advance timing this way you can tune your car for what you are doing. They also offer a program with a 3bar FPR as well as a 4bar FPR which is supposed to make more power. Those devices are optional and you can just purchase a regular chipped program from them if you do not feel comfortable nor have the desire to increase boost or advance timing.
What chiptuners do to your ECU. courtesy of Andy Smith.
http://www.giacusa.com
http://www.goapr.com
http://www.upsolute.com
http://www.neuspeed.com
http://www.revotechnik.com


Again hope this is usefull.

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 12, 2004, 09:38:47 AM
I've been contemplating the APR Software but just have been able to convince myself to spend the dough.  The MBC was cheap and I manage to convince myself that it's as fast as a chipped car...

 :roll:

How much was your software?  On top of that, I have a second car which should be the money pig being as it's not running yet.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 09:43:54 AM
Man... that reminds me i need to get an exhaust installed and get that 4bar FPR and upgrade my REVO software.

Andy? When are you going to be around, I wana hear that Milltek exhaust and make some decisions!
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 09:57:13 AM
Quote from: "34k"
Man... that reminds me i need to get an exhaust installed and get that 4bar FPR and upgrade my REVO software.

Andy? When are you going to be around, I wana hear that Milltek exhaust and make some decisions!


That reminds me, Andy (34K) my manifold and the rest of my intercooler stuff comes today!! yay!! I want to hear the miltek too, I need to make a decision in the neer future as well.

The REVO flash, if you bought it localy will cost you 499 plus tax. then if you want a controller  (I dont have one right now) thats extra bucks. Their are some tuneability benifits that you get with software that you dont get with the MBC.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 10:03:20 AM
Greg and I got a deal at Dubs Along the Rockies this summer and got our cars chipped for 20% off so it was something around $400. Should be around $500 retail but Avalon might be running deals durring their opening. Worth every penny, imo.

Suspension is where it's at for our cars tho. You can make it faster, sure, LOTS faster but they aren't dragsters. Now, blasting through twisties, that's a whole bunch more fun! :)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 10:16:52 AM
And breaks too at least some nice pads, stock rotors and calipers are fine in the begining.


I just thought of something Andy, in the begining of MKIV's like 2000 and 2001 they did make a 2 door Golf, but the only engine that you could get it with was TDI and they only came with the GLX interior, leather, roof, heated seats, etc. As far as I know.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 10:18:19 AM
Greg, Nice! Is that the side mount DSM ICs? You a crazy kid ;)

Uhhh, my Euro Tails and ECS Dog Mount arrives by UPS today :)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 10:25:26 AM
Yeah, i've seen a couple 2d Golfs around town.

Personally, one of the first things I look at is the tail lights to tell the difference. *hint*hint*
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 10:27:31 AM
Quote from: "34k"
Greg, Nice! Is that the side mount DSM ICs? You a crazy kid ;)

Uhhh, my Euro Tails and ECS Dog Mount arrives by UPS today :)


Decided not to go with the DSM ic's, for pain in the a** fabracation reasons. (they were very apealing because you can get them for about 30 bucks a pop and they have metal end tanks.) I would have to cut one end tank off of each IC and flip it over. PITA! So I decided to go with a modifyed TT set up, with a ported manifold. Cant spray frozen gas on these due to the plastic end tanks but with the NewSouth power gasket and an extra IC I cant belive that it wouldent make a noticeable diffrence.

Dog bone mount is kind of a pain too, you need a press to get that front bushing in as I rember. Definately dont attempt alone, extra set of hands is key. You will probly notice a decent ammount of vibration in the begining but the bushings will mellow out with time.  And actually im only running 2 out of 3 of the bushings. Did you get the bolt kit with it? they dident have that when I bought it so hopefully its alot easyer to put the mount back together with longer bolts?

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: coveredbytheblood on October 12, 2004, 10:49:30 AM
Andy Im around man.  Let me know when you want to get together.  Thursday night sounds good.  I get out of class at 6:45.  Maybe a food gtg??  Then drive  :)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 10:51:14 AM
Quote from: "blueGOLFturbo"
Quote from: "34k"
Greg, Nice! Is that the side mount DSM ICs? You a crazy kid ;)

Uhhh, my Euro Tails and ECS Dog Mount arrives by UPS today :)


Dog bone mount is kind of a pain too, you need a press to get that front bushing in as I rember. Definately dont attempt alone, extra set of hands is key. You will probly notice a decent ammount of vibration in the begining but the bushings will mellow out with time.  And actually im only running 2 out of 3 of the bushings. Did you get the bolt kit with it? they dident have that when I bought it so hopefully its alot easyer to put the mount back together with longer bolts?


Ya, I got the whole shabang, bolts and all. I saw an install that recommended having a vice to put it together. I may be down in the springs tonight. Wana play cars?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 10:58:46 AM
Ya and a vice for sure and a big clamp if you have it. But with the longer bolts it shouldent be as big a deal... You will be shocked at how squishy the stock bushings are, they remind me of those stress balls that you use to combat carpel tunnel (sp for sure).

As for springs tonite I may be up for it depending on what time you will be around, im probly going to be tied up with this dinner thing until about 9.  It was suposto be for 3 people and now its for 9 so I have some work to do.

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 11:09:03 AM
Ahh, some other time then. :)
When are you planning on being up here again?

Wooo another thread severely hijacked!

*ahem* OT: Good luck with gapping your plugs Dan. Perhaps you would like to do a GTG with us on Thursday?(workds for me Andrew) Grab a lil bite to eat and chat some?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 11:11:10 AM
Sorry were really bad about hijacking sometimes... :oops:  :oops:

Im planing on being up for the Avalon opeining and on the 20th for a mid week GTG at jons house...
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 12, 2004, 11:22:13 AM
Weekends usually work best for me.  I work too much during the week and I'm way up in Ft. Collins as of a couple months ago.

I come down to the old stompin grounds of littlefun on the weekends so I'm game if you guys want to meet up.  Everyone on this board is awesome, never met people on a board that aren't clicky and unfriendly.  Thanks.

I just got back from lunch at NAPA and have some new NGK's to put in after work.  **keepin my fingers crossed**
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 11:34:09 AM
Weekends work best for me too actually, but I'm pretty flexible as I lack any sort of tangible life outside of work right now.

Is the Avalon opening this weekend, Greg? At least a few of us are gonna head to that.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: coveredbytheblood on October 12, 2004, 11:57:36 AM
The KEG??  Say around 7:15 Thursday?  All are welcome to come.  :)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 11:59:49 AM
Let's go back to Wynkoop Brewery. Not quite so $$ heavy. I'm saving my pennies for an exhaust. I'll post over in the GTG in case anyone else wants to show.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: coveredbytheblood on October 12, 2004, 12:04:46 PM
Ok no prob bob.  :)
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 12, 2004, 12:06:47 PM
Funny that you should call me bob.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 12, 2004, 01:36:35 PM
Quote from: "34k"

Is the Avalon opening this weekend, Greg? At least a few of us are gonna head to that.


Pretty sure its this weekend... Let me double check...
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 06:41:24 AM
Well gentlemen...  the problem is fixed!!

 :D

The colder NGK's and a 0.028" gap fixed it.

Thanks for all your input.  Also let me know what's planned for this weekend, I would like to meet up with you guys.

Dan
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: coveredbytheblood on October 13, 2004, 06:44:34 AM
Hmm.  That is very good.  I need to check mine now.  There have been momentary blips, occasionally during acceleration in my ride.  Glad it worked out for ya!
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 13, 2004, 07:40:34 AM
Quote from: "Chop_Shop"
Well gentlemen...  the problem is fixed!!

 :D

The colder NGK's and a 0.028" gap fixed it.

Thanks for all your input.  Also let me know what's planned for this weekend, I would like to meet up with you guys.

Dan



Uhhh wow. I guess is all I can say that has to be the easyest MKIV fix in the history of ever!

Good to hear...

Just because im nosey... what did your plugs look like when you pulled them? did they have normal burn paterns on them?

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 07:57:22 AM
I'm not the most edumacated when it comes to reading plugs.  Could you give me a quick idea?  I brought one of them to work with me.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 13, 2004, 08:22:05 AM
Picutures rain supreme 'round here. dont have a digi cam with you by chance? LOL sorry.

Umm just describe what they looked like when you pulled them out, black? white? rust color? wet? dry? covered in oil? covered in gas?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 08:25:59 AM
I just took a pic but it's with a camera phone.  I'll have it posted in a bit.

No oil, or gas.

Plug mostly was black.  The grounding strip was white on the outboard side with a little bit of carbon on the electrode side.

I've been driving the car nice for the past week or too since I didn't know what was wrong with it so the carbon build up is probably a little more than usual.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 13, 2004, 08:36:22 AM
That sounds just fine. Just wanted to make sure that your plugs wernt fouled and that was what was causeing your problem not the gap.

Greg
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 08:44:13 AM
(http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_img_a/203031_84_full.jpg)

Blurry...
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 11:48:15 AM
Quote from: "34k"
Is the Avalon opening this weekend, Greg? At least a few of us are gonna head to that.


Does anyone know the actual date of the grand opening?  I'm thinking I missed it.  I was thinking I could pick a software upgrade sometime in the near future...

Are you running any upgraded fuel components with your Revo software?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 13, 2004, 12:04:22 PM
My understanding is that it is this Saturday Oct 16.

I'm still running the stock fuel system. I have the OEM exhaust/down pipe and they recommend that you upgrade that to a 2.5" at least before installing the 4bar FPR afterwhich they will re-flash the ECU to manage the new hardware.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 12:06:48 PM
Would anyone interested on meeting somewhere and driving to avalon?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Colorado_Baja on October 13, 2004, 12:12:44 PM
The actual grand opening is this sat. the 16. they moved it back once before, so if your seeing a diffrent date thats probly why. Or just check www.avalonmotorsports.com ...

At the present moment im not runing a modifyed fuel sysem because I dont really have the need. Im in the process of converting my AWD volkswagen 1.8t into an Audi TT 1.8t The 225 horsepower verson with a KO4 turbo, TT exhaust manifold and i allready have the new intake manifold and duel side mounts. Of course ill need a diffrent fuel pressure regulator and new injectors but the stock fuel pump is fine for what im doing. Thats really all I need to finish the set up.


When I compile all of these parts ill give revo a call and see what kind of a software upgrade I can takeing into account all of my new modifications.
Revo lists software for the audi tt as putting out 260 HP and 284 ft. pounds of tourqe.
So I would think that takeing into account the other modifications done to the engine I could probly put down about 270 on pump gas, witch is what my goal is.

That was way more than I planed on typeing. Did I even answer your question in all of that?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 13, 2004, 12:16:59 PM
I'm down with meeting up before going to Avalon, and I could probably talk  AlanW and maybe some other folks into meeting before-hand.

Where are you located? I'm downtown.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 13, 2004, 12:31:19 PM
I'll be in Highlands Ranch or Parker on Saturday.  I'm game to meet anywhere though.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: jayryan on October 14, 2004, 10:08:38 AM
I'm looking at heading up during my lunch break too. My wife's taking the car to meet her grandpa for lunch at 11:30 so I don't konw if she'll be back in time, but if she is, I think there may be two of us here at work just off of I-25 and Dry Creek that could meet up...and Greg heads up north too.

I think the gig starts at 1pm and the later I wait, the greater chance my wife'll be back and leave the car for me...and we can make a cool grand entrance, but whatever, don't make your plans on account of me.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 14, 2004, 10:18:16 AM
How about we meet at I-25 and Dry Creek Rd between 1-1:30. If you're looking good for being able to join us, JR give Greg or I a call.

Is there a convienient place to meet off that exit, gas station, resturant parking lot or some such thing?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: Chop_Shop on October 14, 2004, 10:24:45 AM
There is a magiano's there on the north east corner with pretty big parking lot.  Any takers?
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: coveredbytheblood on October 14, 2004, 10:28:02 AM
Sounds wonderful.  I need to make a stop to Mt. States and get a few things done.  Alignment etc.  But lunch and a drive there sounds great.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: jayryan on October 14, 2004, 10:29:28 AM
Yup and a few hotels just on the other side....
If I don't have the car...I may talk Wyaka into to going and ride with him since we'd have to be back at the same time.
Title: Minor hesitation and I'm stumped...
Post by: 34k on October 14, 2004, 10:30:17 AM
Works for me. I'll see you cats around 1 then.