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Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 08, 2005, 10:33:57 PM
It's been a long time coming, but I finnaly have them on the way. This is something that not only will look cool, but be completely functional as well. What this thing does is much needed by many US spec cars. And it will work with my currrent set up perfectly. I spent a click over $300 for the kit. And it is suppose to be easily installed in about 30 minutes. I'm betting it'll take an hour for me because I'll be extra anal about it to make it look nice. And the color is blue!

What is it?  :wink:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  8)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Colorado_Baja on January 08, 2005, 11:54:27 PM
Two stubby spit mirors, with blue tinted glass?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: RobD on January 09, 2005, 04:58:22 AM
How about new headlight housings?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: 03Indigo on January 09, 2005, 05:30:46 AM
xenon kit
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: SweetVW on January 09, 2005, 07:26:43 AM
Samco hose kit?  Of course I would think it would take longer than an hour to install.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Noob_Shum on January 09, 2005, 08:39:59 AM
A brace that will hold your legs when you need to stick them out of the sunroof?  ;)

Jonathan
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: tweakeDub on January 09, 2005, 01:36:34 PM
Is it a blue funtional thing that many US spec car need?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 07:35:57 PM
Quote from: "blueGOLFturbo"
Two stubby spit mirors, with blue tinted glass?


Nope, but I do want some of those too.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 07:37:03 PM
Quote from: "RobD"
How about new headlight housings?


Nope, I already have those. Euro projectors at that!
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 07:53:29 PM
Quote from: "StarlightB5"
Samco hose kit?  Of course I would think it would take longer than an hour to install.


No, I'm still not really sure they'll ever come through for our cars.  :roll:
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 07:54:35 PM
Quote from: "Noob_Shum"
A brace that will hold your legs when you need to stick them out of the sunroof?  ;)

Jonathan


This doesn't even really deserve a response. But, no...  :roll:
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 07:55:30 PM
Quote from: "tweakeDub"
Is it a blue funtional thing that many US spec car need?


Yes, it's a functional part of the way these work.  8)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 07:58:52 PM
Quote from: "03Indigo"
xenon kit


What?! You mean HIDs for my Euro projector headlamps?

That would be blue and it would be very functional and a nice upgrade that I have wanted for a long time.

And I guess you'd be right!!!!  :)  :lol:  8)

I just hope the arrive before I have to go up to Vail later this week for some snow boarding event I am to help cover. That Vail pass is really dark on the West side of the hill.  :?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: SweetVW on January 09, 2005, 08:06:36 PM
Wahoo, another set of xenon's in the club.  :D   Believe me, you will LOVE them.  It turns night into day and makes driving much easier.

Plus, they look down right cool!!!  8)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 09, 2005, 11:00:25 PM
That's what I was hoping for Dave. Night for day!
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: jayryan on January 10, 2005, 05:34:20 AM
Cool stuff Chas. You'll now have the "my car's possessed and will eat your soul" look :twisted:
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: madigan on January 10, 2005, 08:29:54 AM
Nice! What kit did you get?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 10, 2005, 05:10:37 PM
Quote from: "madigan"
Nice! What kit did you get?


I got the www.hid-lights.com X5 kit. It only came in either 8000K or 9000K so I opted for the 8000K. I really wanted to use 6000K bulbs for the most light output, but they didn't offer the X5 kit with those bulbs. The X5 kit has the ballast and ignitors built into the same small box, much like the Hella units. They look pretty much like a Hella ballast really. I really hope they come this week before I take off for Vail.  :P  :cry:  :P  :cry:  :wink:  :roll:
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Post by: Rusty on January 11, 2005, 08:36:51 AM
Yet another soulless creature scattering his :twisted: blue-wavelength light into my retinas at night...
 :)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: coveredbytheblood on January 11, 2005, 09:11:16 AM
I think these may be a very worthwhile investment.  Do you need to get new headlight housings to hold them...  Or will they install on or in the stock ones?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 11, 2005, 10:51:28 AM
Well the headlight housing I'm using now aren't quite stock. Errr, well they are in Europe. They are basically the Hella HID projector style housings that came with Halogen bulbs. They also have the cool leveling motors built into them which I still need to wire up. So the HID kit will slide right into these housings and look as if they came that way from the factory. Madigan has these same housings on his '99 Variant 1.8T Passat. But he's using the Hella ballasts and H1 bulbs rated at 6000K. And his set up kicks ass! Very bright with a very sharp cut off as not to blind on coming drivers.

So to answer the question of whether I need new housings, no.

Basically I'll have Hella HID lamps for a total of about $600! :)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 11, 2005, 10:54:56 AM
Oh, here's a pic of the lights the new HID bulbs and ballasts will be working in.

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0bgAZAyEitGihLpqBfe63dQyKSBIVGEJT1QMlpdZVelYmpFXteU4DAZg793*BjgrMXL8VCiD0qxcpvZNA51xaoBt*eWqO9qtUtMRN3HGkKBbicuQuSd0rNM*NJJFTRqYO4BBKyLF8NXG5XrL9h6ZTRd2u1d*A1eMn/HID%20look%20headlamps%20rh%20side%20with%20fogs.jpg)

Only soon they'll have a blazing blue light poring out of them instead of that enimic pale yellow sadness.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 11, 2005, 10:56:10 AM
I also need to hook up my City lights in those housings. Then I'll be all done with the headlamps on this car!
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: kraut-sled on January 11, 2005, 12:30:13 PM
I want better (brighter) lights in my car.  What bulbs do you all recommend?  I have a B5.5, so do I need a conversion kit or can I simply buy more powerful bulbs and plug them in?

TIA.

BTW - Chas that is a great set up!!!
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 11, 2005, 12:36:29 PM
Chas, that's awesome!  First the wheels and then the projectors now Xenon.  This is truly the year of Chas.

Mark, where did you get yours?  What temp do they shine at?  I love the color of those.  I don't know if Chas's will be the same.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: madigan on January 11, 2005, 01:05:55 PM
At 8000k, Chas' will be really purple. Too purple IMHO...

At the time, the lowest temp I could find was 6000k (which are borderline) so that's what I went with. I initially wanted 4300k, but I am happy with my current setup and they do seem a little bit brighter than the OEM 4300k bulbs in the TT.

My setup was pieced together... I found a pair of rebased H1 bulbs and then pulled OEM ballasts from a wrecked A6. I then used the OEM brackets (only have 1 so far) from the OEM HIDS, which mount right to my headlights for a clean look.

I don't mind xenon kits, but I don't like how many components there are. The OEM ballasts are nice because everything is contained in one unit.

(http://img.villagephotos.com/p/2003-6/233533/P1010026.JPG)

 :)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 11, 2005, 04:12:30 PM
Mark is right, I really didn't want the 8000K color temp of these bulbs, but that's the way the kit I wanted (one box only, ignitors and ballasts in one little box much like the Hella HIDs are) came. It's a very clean kit as well.

At 8000K these bulbs will be on the very blue-ish color spectrem, but not as purple as he is thinking. It takes the 9000K and higher to do that. I'll have to look into if these ballasts I have coming will work with 6000K bulbs or not.

The way you look at it is this: 5600 Kelvin is the color of day light on a sunny Colorado day. In other words, fairly blue. 3200 Kelvin is the color temp that a 60 watt bulb puts out. Or put another way, very yellow looking. the standard Halogen bulb is somewhere in between.

As for Randy putting in higher wattage bulbs, that would not be a good idea. Higher wattage bulbs also put off higher heat and that can cause the headlamp housings to melt and the lenses to dis-color or cloud over. Not a good idea at all. There are better types of standard wattage bulbs out there. I personally like the Phillips Vision Plus bulbs. They shine at a truer white than the stock bulbs that come from the factory.

That's what I have in the picture I posted above. Nice bulb, but slightly pricey. But no where near the cost of a full on HID kit.

Randy, if your car has projector headlamps that have halogen bulbs in them. Then you could easily upgrade to an HID kit and have all the same advantages Mark and I will have. Sharp cut off and bright/white light! Putting a HID kit into a car without the projector lenses is fairly pointless. The standard US spec. headlamp without the projector lenses is just going to spread that nice white light all over the road and cause issues with other oncoming drivers. Basically what Rusty was complaining about.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 11, 2005, 04:31:25 PM
Here is some good information on this in graphical format:

(http://repairfaq.cis.upenn.edu/sam/icets/VHB1-4.gif)

And another:
(http://www.importequipment.com/pics/bulbs/xenon%20color%20chart.jpg)

From the driver's perspective:
(http://stopol.biz/images/products/xenon/p2.jpg)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: kraut-sled on January 11, 2005, 04:38:02 PM
Quote from: "Chas"

As for Randy putting in higher wattage bulbs, that would not be a good idea. Higher wattage bulbs also put off higher heat and that can cause the headlamp housings to melt and the lenses to dis-color or cloud over. Not a good idea at all. There are better types of standard wattage bulbs out there. I personally like the Phillips Vision Plus bulbs. They shine at a truer white than the stock bulbs that come from the factory.

Randy, if your car has projector headlamps that have halogen bulbs in them. Then you could easily upgrade to an HID kit and have all the same advantages Mark and I will have. Sharp cut off and bright/white light! Putting a HID kit into a car without the projector lenses is fairly pointless. The standard US spec. headlamp without the projector lenses is just going to spread that nice white light all over the road and cause issues with other oncoming drivers. Basically what Rusty was complaining about.


Melting my housing is my concern, that is why I have not changed the bulbs.  So I know I will not be doing that!!

I am not sure what the light set up in my car is, so I will find out.  I would be interrested in a HID kit, so where would you recommend to get it?

Thanks, I am looking forward to seeing better.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 12, 2005, 11:58:21 AM
Randy, I'll wait till I get my kit before recommending it to anyone. I guess I'm being the guinne pig on this one.

Winston, that first graphical display you posted is nice, but very inaccurate. Color temps in K (Kelvin) are something I deal with on a daily basis for work. TV cameras have to be told what white looks like. This is known as a white balance. White has every color of the rainbow in it, so once white is determined then the rest fall into line. The only thing on that first graphical display that is even close to being right is the fluroescent bulb. And then they only put out 4500K if they are the very expensive, day light balanced bulbs. The garden variety fluro. bulb is actually more of a green color in the high 3000K range to the low 4000K range. Remember the higher the number, the bluer the color temp. The lower the number, the yellower the color temp. So a mix of yellow and blue makes for a nice icky green color.

In all the years of doing TV work I have never seen a sunrise anywhere near 1000K, more like 3500K. Trust me, I've seen more sunrises and sunsets than you'd imagine. They are awsome to see and always go from a very blue before the sun rises to a fantastic yellow or red as the ball cracks the horizon line. Sunsets are simular, but not as dramatic as the sun is already out. But fun things can happen then too. On a sunset over water there is an effect that can happen called the Green Fire. As the ball of the sun approaches the watery horizon line there can sometimes be a flash of green as it "touches" the water. Very cool, I've only seen it once in California.

On a clear sky, sunny, mid day the color temp is always around 5200K to 6000K. It is only when the sky clouds over that the color temp can rises to around 8-9000K (very, very blue). For some reason the clouds filter out the red/yellow parts of the color spectrum leaving only the blue to pass through.

The second graphical representation is more correct. I'd throw that first one in the trash and never look at it again.

Sorry, just telling you what I have learned from over ten year experience in TV work. :)

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VQD1AkwZfTINCh0Y3SGOfhMezZ5K60MSwI3z1aW3iqnj!E7e5wukFDGuKN4ktwQ2SPbSg!A6ihdk696OqrAahkyGEl8eTRjY!oL9ZbmG*tI84wxKMMQBI0qnzpgapCaZ/July%2003%20Sunset%201.jpg)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 12, 2005, 12:11:32 PM
Yeah I thought the same thing.  Remember:

ROY G. BIV = Red, Orange, Yellow, Green, Blue, Indigo, Violet

That's the color spectrum you have to work with on this scale.

The lower the temp, the more you will move towards red and the higher the temp, the closer to violet.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 19, 2005, 11:18:30 AM
Well, they're in!!!

And they kick ASS!!!!  :D  :D  8)

Freaking bright compaired to the PIAA Ultra White bulbs I had it there. Don't get me wrong, the PIAA bulbs are nice bulbs, for Halogen lamps. But I will say that the difference between HIDs and Halogen is like night and day. I can now see things on the road that I would have never seen with the old set up. I finished the install last night and took it for a drive after I re-adjusted everything.

The color is very nice too. Deffinantly blue, but not obnoxious. Much like what you'd see on a Lexus or Mercedes. The amber bulbs I have in on my clear corners look freaking orange next to the HIDs now. As oppossed to before they looked yellowy. It's all perspective I guess.

I like it. And the kit was way too easy to work with. I had to modify a few piece, of course, but it wasn't too difficult at all. It was just the brackets that needed to be reworked and some parts of the plastic shroud that holds the lights needed to be trimmed to make it all fit. But over all, fairly simple stuff.

I'd give this kit a big thumbs up!  :lol:  8)  :D  8)

Pictures soon!
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Post by: kraut-sled on January 19, 2005, 11:39:19 AM
So Chas i take it you would recommend this kit for me?
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: gragravar on January 19, 2005, 12:16:50 PM
Glad to hear it went well.  you'll never go back now.   :wink:   from this point forward you will want them in every car you drive.

Anyway, I would love a ride to see what they look like, and to check out the install. I have been considering an HID retrofit for my motorcycle for a while.
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 19, 2005, 01:33:34 PM
I would recomend this kit for anyone who wants to upgrade to HIDs. Nice kit, well made, easy to install. As for the B5.5 Randy, you should have everything you need in the headlamp housings to use this kit. Meaning projector bezels already built in.

With the projectors the cut off on these lamps now is so sharp and clean it's amazing. And there is a really neat feature about the Euro lamp housings I have, they cast a portion of the light to the right hand side of the road. Which means street signs and that whole side of the road are light up like High Mass! These lights make driving at night fun again!

And sure, anyone that wants to see these is more than welcome to have a spin. This X5 kit could fit a huge range of cars and trucks as well as motorcycles.  8)
Title: Guess what Chas just ordered for his car?
Post by: Chas on January 19, 2005, 05:49:28 PM
OK, here's a picture I took today with the HIDs burning in the Euro housings. Of course day time shots don't look as dramatic as night time pics, but hey, this'll do.

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0TQD9AhQX2nKhLpqBfe63dbuwsMT3i2DcARAXgsa1f7vKusitu4ZfvtSaamn0TGiXjhtz78nNrzF4fr7652!wToTjE71L32Ma8cwrxfAqWmZND25X3tOI4Q/HID%20lamps%202.jpg)

And here's an older picture of when I just installed the lamp housings with the halogen bulbs. See any difference?

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0bgA5Ay8i!GmhLpqBfe63dQyKSBIVGEJT1QMlpdZVelYmpFXteU4DAZg793*BjgrMXL8VCiD0qxcpvZNA51xaoBt*eWqO9qtUtMRN3HGkKBZHA1ssV0WW75avCz9fu*DqVjZ0U5CVaWBKq8YW4FyCMWSGOc17f7GO/HID%20look%20headlamps%20rh%20side%20with%20fogs.jpg)
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Post by: SweetVW on January 19, 2005, 09:42:57 PM
Yes I do, with the hid's in I can see the blue ring around the fog lamps!  Nice mod!!!  :P

Actually I see a big difference.  I would like to take spin sometime at night with you and see the difference in the color.  I have the stock hid color and always wanted to see if there was a visible difference sitting in the seat.

Congrats on the install.  :D