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Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 07, 2005, 11:01:45 AM
I'm itching about getting an A3 late this year or early next year (anticipating a big promotion), and thinking about whether or not to do anymore mods to my B5.5 and possibly returning it to stock so I could sell it.

I'm considering a A3 2.0T, Metallic Silver with the following options:
Sport package
DSG transmission
Nav system
Sky roof
Xenon HL
Convenience package
This comes out to be $32,000 MSRP.

Pros and cons on getting a new A3:
PROS:
- The A3 is such a hot car, better performance potential, and perfect size (especially the practical hatchback).
- I don't have to deal with so many quirks (electrical and quality) as on my B5.5.  The build quality on the A3 seems very good.
- The Audi gets more respect than a VW.
- Getting a little tired of my B5.5.

CONS:
- My B5.5 is totally paid off, so I would have to deal with having a car loan.
- I would have to start from square one with mods.
- The depreciation of my B5.5 since there are a lot of Passats out there.
- Getting a good deal on the A3 seems a little challenging since it is such a new and desirable model.

My next major mod on my B5.5 would be a Votex front end with replica or aftermaket sides and rears, but if I were to sell it I would probably not get it done and slowly return it to stock so that I could sell it or tade it in.

This Oettinger front end looks so hot and would be my first mod:
(http://www.fourtitude.com/gallery/generated//Audi/A3-S3/A3%20(A5)/Sportback/Aftermarket/Oettinger/001__scaled_600.jpg)
The Audi Nuovo replica wheels from Harmann would be a possibility too:
(http://users.telenet.be/iceblue1/velg1.jpg)
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: JDawg on July 07, 2005, 11:07:04 AM
Is there talk of a quattro version?
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: jayryan on July 07, 2005, 11:07:15 AM
I can't. I like the A3.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 07, 2005, 11:08:28 AM
Quote

CONS:
- My B5.5 is totally paid off, so I would have to deal with having a car loan.


That's a good reason not to. Plus no quattro which would kill the idea right away for me - not sure how important that is to you, and i'm sure its coming sometime (I hope).

As for the pros... I *really* want my next car to have DSG. It's cool that they are already coming over with it. And hey, the hatch with the seats down would be a good space for Yuki! ;)
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 07, 2005, 11:10:04 AM
Honestly, I think the A3 is a great car and is going to be abig hit here in the US for Audi. When I first saw they were coming over I was very skeptical. I mean why would anyone want an Audi smaller than the A4?

I finally saw a real person (not a tester) driving one the other day and the guy was just grinning ear to ear.

I was hoping to look at them come next year when I am in the market for a car again.

As you mentioned, there probably wont be any deals until next year, but you never know.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: shummer on July 07, 2005, 11:14:28 AM
You have tall friends and family so you need the back seat leg room of the Passat to appease them?
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: JDawg on July 07, 2005, 11:16:52 AM
I think the Quattro version is going to be released next year.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 07, 2005, 11:24:50 AM
In theory, much like what Volvo has done, the 2wd Audis should be fantastic in snow and ice.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 07, 2005, 11:24:53 AM
The quattro version should be out next year, along with the 3.2 V6 (or VR6 if you will) version.  My concerns are concerned around the lack of a manual transmission in the A4 3.2 Quattro, and whether this will carry over to the A3.  

My biggest problem here is that $32,000 is far too much, in my opinion, for a car like the A3. Actually, I think it is ridiculous, especially for a model that doesn't even have quattro. I'd spend a couple of grand more and pick up a B7 A4, myself.

Ben
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: jayryan on July 07, 2005, 11:32:50 AM
DSG is better than manual
Title: Re: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: ianacole on July 07, 2005, 11:58:37 AM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
Convince me not to get an A3!
(http://www.fourtitude.com/gallery/generated//Audi/A3-S3/A3%20(A5)/Sportback/Aftermarket/Oettinger/001__scaled_600.jpg)


No!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 07, 2005, 12:18:06 PM
The A3 3.2 V6 Quattro will be released towards the end of the year (see timeline below) with a $4,000 premium.  To my knowledge the Quattro is only available on the V6 and not the 2.0T.  The 2.0T is a sweet engine and should have more performance mod potential than the V6.

(http://is.rely.net/2-1056-8523-l-D9KRPGgiD54EKkHU6IJXew.jpg)

Not having Quattro/4-mo has not been a problem with me, as long as you have a dedicated set of good snow tires winter driving has been worry free.

I don't really like the A4 and sitting inside of it the A4 feels a little more clausterphobic than the A3, even though they are very close in size -- maybe because the hatch makes it feel more open and airy.

There's also a 3.2L A3 S-line coming out early next year.
Here are the specs from an Audi of America newsletter (faxed to all dealers):

"Most notably, we will be introducing a brand new model for the A3 with early October production - The A3 3.2. This vehicle comes standard with quattro, DSG transmission, and the S-Line package, and is very well equipped with a number of other standard features. The 3.2 250HP in this new A3 is shared with the TT 3.2.

Standard features of the A3 3.2 include:
- 17" Excalibur silver alloy wheels with all-season tires
- Front fog lights
- S-Line front and rear bumpers and S-Line badges
- Sport suspension
- sport seats with power driver seat and lumbar
- roof spoiler
- sound package with Bose premium sound system and 6-disc CD changer
- convenience package
- alloy air vents and radio buttons; brushed alloy inlays
- Three-spoke multifunction steering wheel with S-Line badge/alloy paddles
- illuminated vanity mirrors, driver/passenger reading lights, and lighted door open
Available options on the new 3.2 include:
- cold weather package
- rear side airbags
- open sky system
- satellite radio
- premium leather
- bi-xenon headlights
- DVD Navigation
- 18" 20-spoke wheels with performance tires
- Bluetooth phone preparation with voice control
- Bluetooth phone prep with voice control is available for ordering starting with late June production on the 2.0T model in conjunction with either the Premium or Sport package (and with 3.2 at its start of production)
- Bi-xenon lights will replace the Xenon lights option starting with early September production and are available on the 2.0T model in conjunction with the Premium or Sport package (and with the 3.2 at its start of production)


Word is getting around that it will be priced short of a TT 3.2L V6 ($42,000), so it will probably be around $38,000 -- pretty pricey, but since the S3 will not be available here it should fill a small niche.  I haven't heard of anything about the 2.0T S-Line though.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: kraut-sled on July 07, 2005, 12:21:49 PM
Go for it!!!

I would like to have one for a project car, so if you get one, let me know.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 07, 2005, 12:28:29 PM
Jeez, no love for the Passat here!
I'll probably take a A3 DSG for a spin this weekend.

I could always hold on to my Passat and wait for something better than the A3 to come along -- it will probably not be a VW though.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: gragravar on July 07, 2005, 12:55:52 PM
The only reason I would see not to get one is if you need the room in the B5.5 or if you were able to wait for the upcomming S3.  That'll be hot!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: DenverPat on July 07, 2005, 01:26:24 PM
I've heard the back seat room in the A3 is better than that of the B5 A4.
I've heard a few complaints about the sunroof and noise.
You've already addressed the no-quattro issue.
First model year normally is not the best for a new car due to quirks being worked out.
Depreciation and related new car financial crap.

That said, I think it'd be a great car for you.  quattro models will come with a 3.2.  The verdict is still out whether or not the 2.0T will be offered with quattro.  It likely depends on the sales of other A3s available in the states.
I really hope the 2.0T comes here with quattro eventually.  If so, I'm guessing that'll be my next car.  FWIW, the A3 weighs about as much as the B5 A4.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 07, 2005, 01:41:30 PM
I'm also worried that there will tons of A3s on the road -- I want something different and unique (but I'd guess that's where the modding comes in).
The reason I bought my B5.5 over an A4 is because I would lose the A4 in the parking lot in Aspen (too many Audis up in the mountains).
The Kelley Blue Book trade in value of my car is $15,350, which I doubt the dealership would accept as a fair trade in price.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Scuba2001 on July 07, 2005, 04:59:35 PM
For the same amount of money, you could get better handling, more power, and AWD from an STi or Evo.

Need I say more?
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: DenverPat on July 07, 2005, 05:31:24 PM
Have you driven an STi or Evo?  They are not in the same class as any Audi I've ever driven.  Sure, they'll embarass it in terms of performance, but then again so will a crotch rocket or Elise.  It's all priorities, Steve.  If you want a capable car with some luxury, go Audi.  If you're only concerned about raw performance numbers, go Evo.  I know aowhaus, and I'm guessing he's not a raw peformance kind of guy.  He's way to sophisticated for that. :wink:
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 07, 2005, 06:27:31 PM
Have you met Alan?

Need I say more? ;)

Seriously, I'm the same way - My car will get stomped by soo many similar sized 'pocket rockets' out there, but I like the styling, classiness, fit and finish of the Audi and I think it far outweighs raw performance. I drove a WRX when I was shopping and it just didn't fit. It had the power, but not the class. :D
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: evil_O on July 07, 2005, 06:53:21 PM
There were only two things that stopped me from looking at em when it was time for us to buy... again...lol:

1. Price
2. Currently not offering Quattro

If those were not issues.. I might be driving one of those instead... maybe  :D
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: jayryan on July 07, 2005, 07:16:17 PM
Quote from: "DenverPat"
I know aowhaus, and I'm guessing he's not a raw peformance kind of guy.  He's way to sophisticated for that. :wink:

Quote from: "aowhaus"
...I would lose the A4 in the parking lot in Aspen...


 :lol:
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Spicoli on July 07, 2005, 08:38:03 PM
I love the 2-door, and it wn't be available here.

4 door looks like a mini van.  How is that Alan?
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Scuba2001 on July 07, 2005, 08:43:28 PM
Quote from: "DenverPat"
Have you driven an STi or Evo?


Yes I have, and they handled better then any Audi could.  Now keep in mind that I went and drove the new A3 before I drove the Evo.  The A3 is a very nice car, but for the same amount of money, there are other cars on the market that are more reliable and sophisticated.  BMW, A4, etc.

Just my take on it though.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: DenverPat on July 07, 2005, 08:51:03 PM
Quote from: "Scuba2001"
Quote from: "DenverPat"
Have you driven an STi or Evo?


Yes I have, and they handled better then any Audi could.  Now keep in mind that I went and drove the new A3 before I drove the Evo.  The A3 is a very nice car, but for the same amount of money, there are other cars on the market that are more reliable and sophisticated.  BMW, A4, etc.

Just my take on it though.


I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from, Steve.  You say the STi and Evo handle better than any Audi could.  Why would you say that?  What is it about an Audi that would make it impossible to handle better than a Mitsubishi or Subaru?
Also, why would you say a BMW or A4 is more sophisticated than an A3?
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Vanimaniac on July 07, 2005, 09:14:13 PM
Well the FWD would have more WHP than the Quattro, but I'd still rather have the quattro.

I love my wagon. I wouldn't trade it in for the A3.

Now the RS4 (maybe coming over next year?) is a whole different story!

Second mortgage here I come!

Van
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: scott on July 08, 2005, 06:30:09 AM
I would wait at least 8 months to let others work out the bugs for you, and to bge honest I would consider waiting until the VW R36 comes out. It will be one helluva car, and you are only about a year or so from seeing it....
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 08, 2005, 07:27:51 AM
Quote from: "Spicoli"
I love the 2-door, and it wn't be available here.

4 door looks like a mini van.  How is that Alan?



The A3 looks more like a chopped wagon than a minivan (I most of the SUVs out there look like minivans on steroids).

I love the look of the 2-door, but the 4-door still looks hot.  I went to school in Europe for a little while and I really love all those European and Japanese 4-door hatchback models they have there -- many of them versions of popular models we have here, such as Honda Accord, Mazda 323, 626, etc.  
The Passat I have is more room than I actually need -- granted I've hauled an entire large dresser in the closed trunk and with the seats down it could swallow a 12 foot ladder.   But at the most I need something that could stow snowboards and gear -- anything beyond that I'll rent a U-Haul van.

I'm definately waiting til next year, but I'll test drive one this weekend just for kicks.  I'm really hoping that Alfa Romeo will be back on our shores by 2007, but tensions between the struggling Fiat Group and GM (both have shared ownership of Alfa) means that the Alfa introduction will probably be infinately on hold.

The STi and EVO are impressive cars, but since this will be my only car I want something that has everything -- performance, comfort, luxury, practicality, and something that doesn't look like a riced up econobox.

Honestly there is no other cars that peak my interest out there, other than a Maserati Quattroporte, but that's a little out of my price range!  :D
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: TurboDub on July 08, 2005, 07:59:20 AM
Quote from: "hotani"
Have you met Alan?

Need I say more? ;)

Seriously, I'm the same way - My car will get stomped by soo many similar sized 'pocket rockets' out there, but I like the styling, classiness, fit and finish of the Audi and I think it far outweighs raw performance. I drove a WRX when I was shopping and it just didn't fit. It had the power, but not the class. :D


I drove a WRX and an A4 before I got my Legacy GT. The Rex was faast, but loud and not very refined. (plus my ins would be dbl) The A4 was smooth and solid, but more expensive and not nearly as quick. My Legacy GT is damn quick (AW has it just under 14 secs in the 1/4 mi) and pretty comfortable, plus I was out the door for under 25k with AWD and a very well equipped car. With a few mods I can be pushing 300hp pretty quickly. :twisted:  Although it's not German iron, it is solid and well built. (My 97 Outback went 140k miles pretty much trouble free) Basically a WRX with class 8)  Of course now that I own one I am pretty biased, but IMHO it was the perfect balance... just my 2 cents.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 08, 2005, 08:48:14 AM
Damn, I have been photoshopping A3's (and other VW/Audi cars, and hot models) onto my architectural renderings at work these past few days.
It's driving me crazy!!!

I'd guess I really need to get an A3 (and laid!).
Just called McDonald and they have an A3 with DSG and Sky Roof, sweet!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: TurboDub on July 08, 2005, 09:08:22 AM
"Convince me not to get an A3!"

Oh well I tried :lol:
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 08, 2005, 09:17:07 AM
Though my family in Germany would probably disown me, I think the upcoming BMW 330i is awesome. I think we can all agree that the car is refined and luxurious. Not only that, but its engine propels the car to 60 in the mid- to high 5 second range, AND it comes standard with a manual transmission. Say what you want, DSG may be faster, but I'll take rowing through the gears any day. :)

Ben
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 08, 2005, 09:33:05 AM
Hmmm, lets see.... keeping both hands at 9-3 while INSTANTLY shifting with virtually no power loss via a little paddle vs taking one hand off the wheel, pushing a pedal, releasing another pedal, adjusting the two so the shift is smooth (mine still aren't smooth most of the time). Call me lazy but..... :D

Or just leave it in full auto mode and seamlessly blast through the gears without even touching the paddle shifters. Sounds extra yummy to me!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: TurboDub on July 08, 2005, 09:43:58 AM
Downshifts made lightening fast with the revs perfectly matched does sound like fun, hehe  :twisted:

 
Then again I can get that from my Gran Turismo4 :lol:
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: evil_O on July 08, 2005, 11:08:09 AM
Someone is getting reeeeeal close to buying something......


*tick tock*
Title: Re: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: 34k on July 08, 2005, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
Nav system

Nobody else will find this as funny as I do, but I fell out of my chair. He NEEEEEEDS this. :D

Join the small car club. Buy It!

I've probably beaten this to death in person to many of you, but I love this car. All the refinements and comforts of Audi in a GTI sized package.

If it was availiable over here in 2-door I would be all up in that in a heart-beat. I have dreams of AOA bringing over a 2d S3 coupe or even an RS3 coupe but then I wake up...
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Eric18T on July 08, 2005, 12:41:45 PM
after driving the A3 and the Subaru legacy Gt.. I would give the Legacy GT the hand up. Not that i don't like the A3, but i really liked the Legacy GT, More power, lots of class, little price..
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: sediahaka on July 08, 2005, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: "scott"
I would wait at least 8 months to let others work out the bugs for you, and to bge honest I would consider waiting until the VW R36 comes out. It will be one helluva car, and you are only about a year or so from seeing it....


I agree with the waiting, first year cars always have things that need to be worked out.  the second year is usually better.  Just a thought though because if i had the money i'd buy a new golf right now despite my own advice.  If you want it get it!!!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: DenverPat on July 08, 2005, 01:25:32 PM
Alan, don't get your hopes up.  I called McDonald a few weeks ago and they told me they had five A3s, including a 3.2L.  Of course they didn't have the 3.2L, and they only had two A3s total.  Both were spec'd the same.  According to the guy on the phone, they were both "automatics."  :roll:
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 08, 2005, 01:33:11 PM
Prestige had one on the showroom floor when I was in there last. It was completely stripped (as much as an Audi can be anyway), while the DSG/leather/sport models were sitting outside. They seemed to have a few around though.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: scott on July 08, 2005, 03:43:52 PM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
I'd guess I really need to get an A3 (and laid!).
Just called McDonald and they have an A3 with DSG and Sky Roof, sweet!



If it was black, that got sold to a 719 guy last night..  8O
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: gragravar on July 08, 2005, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: "aowhaus"
Honestly there is no other cars that peak my interest out there, other than a Maserati Quattroporte, but that's a little out of my price range!  :D


But you said big promotion.   8O

I heard the phrase long ago -

"Drive German until you can afford Italian"   :D
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: scott on July 08, 2005, 03:58:36 PM
Quote from: "gragravar"


"Drive German until you can afford Italian"   :D


oh HELL no... if I "upgraded" it would be to something like an Aston Martin... otherwise it will be German forever...
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: ianacole on July 08, 2005, 04:54:47 PM
Quote from: "gragravar"
"Drive German until you can afford Italian"   :D


No, no, it's drive cheap German until you can afford more expensive German...1998 Turbo S....Carrera GT......life is complete...

Oh, and my "No!" earlier should have been "No, I won't talk you out of buying an A3."  That A3 with the Caractre front end is sick!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 08, 2005, 07:02:03 PM
Quote from: "hotani"
Hmmm, lets see.... keeping both hands at 9-3 while INSTANTLY shifting with virtually no power loss via a little paddle vs taking one hand off the wheel, pushing a pedal, releasing another pedal, adjusting the two so the shift is smooth (mine still aren't smooth most of the time). Call me lazy but..... :D


Hey man, there's nothing like sticking with inefficient and outdated practices. Consider me the Amish man of automotive engineering.  Life can be better even if you have a harder time of getting it right. :)

Ben
Title: Re: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: ColoradoB5 on July 11, 2005, 04:38:50 PM
Alan I would have a tough time trying to talk you out of it as well.  The only things that I could say are:

1. Wait for the quattro.  Get the B5.5 Votex parts you want and you can always sell them when you return to stock.

2. It's a great car, but see what a year or so does to the opinions on them.  Plus, in that time, the aftermarket will have more choices for you.

3. Yo momma.  Yo momma called me to have me tell you to clean yo room.

::)
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 11, 2005, 09:14:06 PM
Stopped by the McDonald Audi last Saturday.  Unfortunately they had no A3s available (one was sold yesterday and the other one is on some kind of loan), but I did have a great talk with Mort, one of the sales people there (and happens to own a GTI 1.8T and his wife a Jetta VR6).
They are expecting more A3s to trickle in through out this month.

Mort gave me some interesting suggestions on equipping my A3:
Take the 2.0L over the 3.2L V6 quattro.  The V6Q is a $4,000 premium and weighs 180 more pounds, also has less fuel ecomony.

The sound of the base stereo is not very good, but instead of paying $900 for the Bose option, Mort recommends a nearby custom stereo shop/installer to upgrade the speakers and amps which will cost much less and sound just as good (he has been referring all his customers to this place, which I forgot the name).

I was a bit disappointed with the Audi Nav System, as it was tedious to use and the display is pretty small.   I just love the Nav system on the Acuras with the easy to use large touch screen, and the Audi system is something I definately don't want to operate while driving.  Mort agrees, especially at $1950.  Also with the Nav system, the 6-disc changer moves from the HU to the glove box which takes up storage space and is a little harder to access from the driver's seat.

The verdict is still out on the Sky View Roof option.  I heard of noticable wind noise even when closed from new owners.  There is no conventional sunroof option available.  I really like how the roof panel is all black (like mine  8) ) and looks really sharp on silver, which is funny because Mort suggest I get a dark color so that the black roof doesn't stand out -- I'm sure that's personal taste.

I asked about the V6Q availability, which I understand should be available in December.  Mort didn't know and had to refer to his FAQ binder, which he later confirmed.  He didn't know if I could make an order for one in advance as he doesn't even have the option list and order specs for it.

Summary:
I'm going to wait until the V6Q comes out and make a verdict.  Like I said I'm still happy with my Passat (and it's paid off), so I'm in no hurry to get a new car.  As much as I like getting a new model when it's introduced, I agree with your suggestion on waiting a year so that they work out some of the bugs and maybe some interesting new options or features may show up as well (like on the B5.5).
...but I'm also itching to get the Votex kit for my Passat!  :?
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Spicoli on July 12, 2005, 11:09:54 AM
I would disagree with Mort on the stereo.  The Bose stuff is great and to get the same sound as it would give you, it will cost you a lot more than $900 after you factor in labor, etc.  Labor on speakers and wire would be near $500 easy.  I have heard audi's Bose system, just not the A3 one.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: DenverPat on July 12, 2005, 11:11:43 AM
I have the Bose system in my B5 A4.  It was a $1,000 option.  I bought the car used, but if I were to have bought it new, I would have skipped the Bose option and gone aftermarket.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 12, 2005, 11:28:30 AM
I've listened to the Bose in Cole's S4 and thought it sounded great (enough for me, i'm not too picky). If mine had come with it I would not have needed to add anything. In my car I simply added a 10" sub in a trunk box with a 200w amp, modified the built-in EQ settings and am satisfied.

Maybe you could get away with something similar in the A3, but keep in mind, unless you want to do some serious fiber work to build the sub into the 'wall' you're going to lose precious cargo space. Factory is nice because it sounds decent and they've already hidden and tucked the sub(s) out of the way for you.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: jayryan on July 12, 2005, 11:33:43 AM
Go aftermarket and have an aftermarket Nav system put in. Something custom mounted and OEM looking, but way better.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 12, 2005, 11:40:14 AM
^^ $$$cha-CHING!$$$

Only thing stopping me from doing it! :lol:
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 12, 2005, 12:32:36 PM
On the BOSE note: When I was looking at A4s back in '00, I was contemplating picking up a brand new '01 A4 1.8T.  I worked at McDonald Audi/VW back then, and Ken Kanazu still worked there. He was a cool guy, and I talked to him a bit here and there, so I was going to buy a car from him. I made a huge deal about the BOSE stereo, and he recommended I sit in an A4 with Bose and then in an A4 without Bose. Hands down, I preferred the A4 without Bose.  Let me clarify that BOSE did sound better, but not $850 better.  That was back for MY01, but still...it didn't think the extra $850 was worth it.

Ben
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 12, 2005, 02:43:34 PM
Ok, one more 'Devils advocate' comment....

Have you thought about the Sabaru (http://www.saabusa.com/saabjsp/92x/index.jsp)? I've heard that with the GM discounts people are getting them for stupid cheap - like around $20k. 8O I'm not sure if that is Aero or not - I would want the Aero for sure.

Anyway, it looks like a nice stylish package, plenty fast, AWD... worth a look I think. Its the WRX with refinement and a healthy dousing of class.

EDIT: okay, yeah it is the Aero going for $20k - this is straight off the saab site:
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 Saab Employee Discount Price for 2005 Saab 9-2X
   
Selected Style:    Aero
Saab Employee Discount Price: (approx.)    $19,425.00
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 12, 2005, 02:49:29 PM
Saabaru?!  :?

I don't care for Saabs, I'd rather keep my B5.5 instead.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 12, 2005, 02:51:42 PM
I sat in one at the dealership - it had black leather interior with silver inserts a la Audi S4 - very nice. :)
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: shummer on July 12, 2005, 03:00:10 PM
Well we drove those cars at the Saab Proving Grounds driving event and the autos were absolutely terrible acceleration wise. That would mean Alan would have to start rowing.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: hotani on July 12, 2005, 03:07:48 PM
Yeah that is NOT a good engine to be mated with auto. It has enough lag as a manual!
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 12, 2005, 06:33:44 PM
Quote from: "shummer"
Well we drove those cars at the Saab Proving Grounds driving event and the autos were absolutely terrible acceleration wise. That would mean Alan would have to start rowing.


Oh yeah, I totally forgot about that.
I thought almost all of the cars there were better than the 9-2x (Jetta 1.8T, Mini Cooper, Acura RSX base, and Volvo S40).  I had high hopes for the 9-2x because I like the performance of the WRX but didn't like the cheapness and econobox styling -- however, they didn't go far enough to make it more Saab-like (comfortable seats, center console mounted ignition, and quality of interior trim) and it seemed like it didn't have as much go as the WRX.

I really like the Volvo S40, even with the base engine it felt faster and more competant than the 9-2x with the more powerful engine.  The S40 gets pretty pricey when fully equipped though.

This baby caught my eye:
(http://i5.ebayimg.com/02/i/04/75/ba/f5_1_b.JPG)
(http://i19.ebayimg.com/01/i/04/6f/88/09_1_b.JPG)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4560520422&category=5345&rd=1
I don't like the grey interior unfortunately.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: RobD on July 14, 2005, 05:05:56 AM
Alan - i just got my new European Car mag and there is a write up on the 2.0t A3 and it was well received.  Read it if you get a chance.  They really liked it overall.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 14, 2005, 08:56:39 AM
Okay, that black TT is hot as hell. I want one.

Ben
Title: Just test drove a DSG w/sport pkg.
Post by: aowhaus on July 16, 2005, 04:30:41 PM
Got a call yesterday that got two more in, a black one with the sport package and a dark blue one with the luxury package (both DSG).

Looking at both of them, the darker color is not as flattering to the car's shape and size as the lighter or brighter colors.  But anyways, I was there for the test drive and it exceeded my expectations.

The DSG tranny is truely amazing, quick and seemless shifts and matches with the 2.0T engine perfectly.  There is virtually no turbo lag, and the dealer let me do some sprints and spirited driving through some twisty roads through an industrial park (too much fun!).
At first I was shifting with the shifter, but the dealer reminded me of the paddles behind the steering wheel.  The paddles were great and very easy to use.  In automatic mode, there is a sport setting which felt fast and aggressive if you want to give your fingers a rest.

I really like the sport package.  The stiffer suspension felt just right in turns and had just enough feel for the road.  The slightly lower stance along with the roof spoiler looks nicer than the one with the luxury package.  The sport package also featured aluminum trim including cast aluminum shift paddles which felt solid and had a nice slightly dampered clicking sensation to it (the paddles are black plastic on the luxury package).  The black leather interior has nicely detailed white stiching, while the beige leather of the luxury package looks bland.
The standard Audi Symphonic stereo does sound like crap eventhough it has 10 speakers scattered throughout the cabin -- my Monsoon system in my B5.5 puts it to shame.

The steering felt really good to, as it was electronically controlled so that it felt firmer at highway speeds and very light in parking situations.

I checked out the Sky Roof option and I was disappointed with it.  Eventhough the front panel seems very large, it doesn't retract all the way back (the rear panel is fixed), and the sliding shade for both panels is merely a screen (not solid), which still allowed a quite a bit of light to get through -- not great if you want your interior dark or if you are parked under the strong midday sun.  The louvred panorama roof on the Pontiac G6, Cadillac SRX, or the Mercedes ML  that opens the roof completely would be a better design -- or at least stick with the conventional sunroof.  Well that's $1,100 saved there.

So on some of your suggestions, I'm holding off until the V6 Quattro comes out and also when enough production is made to overcome some of the bugs in the new model.  I should've test drove the 3.2L V6 DSG TT while I was there to get a better sense of the engine/transmission combo.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: TurboDub on July 16, 2005, 06:18:06 PM
Sounds like a sweet ride! What were the stickers on the ones that came in? and how much did it seems like the dealer was willing to knock off?

I still haven't seen one on the road. Where are they all hiding??
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 16, 2005, 06:42:52 PM
McDonald has been getting them in 2 at a time, right now supply is pretty slim.  They are getting larger fleets through late summer and early fall.  I could order one with my choice of colors and options today and it will arrive sometime in October.

Based on my experience with new models and with Audis and VWs, I wasn't expecting any discounts.  Mort says he could work with me, but it wouldn't be much of a discount.  I didn't discuss about it much further as I wasn't prepared to buy right now -- I'm thinking I could work some deal out with some dealer installed options and accessories.

I stopped at Ralph Schomp BMW just for kicks to see if they have anything interesting as an alternative.  I'm not much of a BMW guy, and only the 3-series was in my price range.  Even the newly redesigned 2006 models (much nicer than the 2005) didn't do anything for me, and I don't like the idea of driving a RWD car in the winter.  Like the A3, the 3-series gets insanely expensive when you add on the options.
My only BMW of choice would be a 2002 Z3 coupe, but those in good condition and low milage are very hard to come by -- I would get a Dinan stage 2 tuning package for it.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 17, 2005, 09:02:23 PM
I went earlier this week to McDonald and Ralph Schomp to take a look around (my friend is interested in a 20th Anniversary GTI that Schomp is selling).

I did see the dark blue A3 at McDonald. Somebody was ready to go on a test drive with it, so I didn't walk up and stare at the interior (or the sticker). It looked pretty slick. I am stuck on the red that they've advertised it with (just like I've always been stuck on the Nogaro Blue for the B5 S4).  

I absolutely loved the new 3-series, in contrast. I sat in a 330i and a 325i, and I thought the interior were excellent, if not superior to those found in the B7 A4.  Obviously they were expensive, but the presence of a 6-speed in the new 330 sure made me drool. The new BMW really did it for me.

Then I sat in (the only?) Z3 on the lot, which I think was white. I loved it, even liked it better than the brand new Z4's on the lot.  The seating position, the feel, the look of the dash...all made me love the car. I'd driven one back in '00 when I was choosing between a '98 Z3 2.8, or my own '98 A4 2.8, and I don't remember liking it as much. Maybe the car grows on you with maturity...or maybe now I'm looking for something else (I was coming from a small, essentially two-seat car...'91 Geo Tracker).  

It had been the first time in awhile that I'd looked at cars. I'm still semi-drooling over the new GTO though. I don't know quite why those have grown on me so much.

Ben
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: Vanimaniac on July 17, 2005, 09:25:30 PM
If you wanna test drive some Bimmers for free with no sales hassle, check out this.... http://www.bmwusa.com/bmwexperience/EventsandPrograms/default.htm?showregistration=1

The ultimate driving experience is an autocross type course in their 3 series at Mile High on Aug. 5-7. Alas, it's already filled up. I didn't get registered in time. I did it last year in an X3 and was amazed at how well those SUV's handle. Pat was there too.

Or click on the Susan B. Korman link and you can drive around one of several BMW's for charity.

Van
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 17, 2005, 10:09:24 PM
Quote from: "BHase"

It had been the first time in awhile that I'd looked at cars. I'm still semi-drooling over the new GTO though. I don't know quite why those have grown on me so much.


I've seen a GTO at Murray BMW used lot.
It is certainly one large car, looks a lot like a stretched Grand Prix coupe -- can't believe how long it is for a sports car (odd propotions), but you can't dismiss all of that horsepower under the hood.

A loaded Volvo S40 T5 AWD or a used 2005 S60R (300hp AWD) are also in the price range of a A3...
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: BHase on July 18, 2005, 08:24:00 AM
It is funny that you noticed that. I've seen GTOs countless times and never noticed their length as being anything other than that of a normal sports car. So I looked online and compared some specs:

The GTO (189.8 in) is longer the BMW M3 (176.9 in), the Porsche 911 (175.6 in), and of course, the Lotus Elise (149 in). I really wouldn't have noticed that if you hadn't said it (except for the Elise thing).  And not only is it longer, but more than an entire foot longer than both the M3 and the 911! That was a surprise to me.

It is, however, shorter than the Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, which seems almost monstrous now at 198.3 inches.

Ben
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: PasSoup on July 18, 2005, 09:09:28 AM
The GTO is supposed to be more of a muscle car.  It's length is much closer to that of the Mustangs.  (187.6 188.0/GT)
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: JDawg on July 18, 2005, 11:01:52 AM
Regarding stereo, I would either buy the best stock stereo you can afford, or think VERY carefully about what an "aftermarket" system will get you, and what you will loose as a result.  Remember, Audi and VW integrate the stereo heavily into the vehicle's communications and computer systems.  If you want the steering wheel controls, you basically have to have a stock system.  If you want the center display to work in your instrument cluster, you have to have a stock system.  There is one aftermarket system I know of that will communicate with the CAN-BUS and allow the use of the controls and display, but you are then modifying the communications system of the car, associated wiring and warranty.  In my opinion, the ONLY aftermarket possibility for upgraded sound is speakers.  Otherwise you are risking a lot, and loosing functions of the car.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: aowhaus on July 18, 2005, 12:15:05 PM
I meant just the speakers and the amp.
Title: Convince me not to get an A3!
Post by: JDawg on July 18, 2005, 12:19:17 PM
Right, the amp is part of the audio network, and usually cannot be seperated or bypassed unless they can get speaker level outputs... but then your audio quality goes down.