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Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jayryan on August 30, 2005, 07:54:00 AM
$0.15 a gallon overnight increase here in the Inverness area. I'm not sure what I'm going to do if they increase even more as predicted. I do plan on pulling the 252cc injectors and putting the 210's back in along with either removing or replacing my MBC- it's broke...again :roll:  I'll gain back that 100mi. a tank I lost 8O
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 30, 2005, 08:05:22 AM
My last fillup was about $38 - yeouch. I do ride the bus most days to work, but I'm trying to make that *all* days.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jfrahm on August 30, 2005, 08:08:15 AM
Ride my bicycle more, ride my motorcycle more, take the bus a few times, and maybe buy a gas guzzling car at a bargain price.

I should also be buying oil company stocks.  Sheesh.
-Joel.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 30, 2005, 08:10:03 AM
I'm just gonna stay home and watch TV ;)

I will just stay off the turbo a bit more, to conserve and increase MPG.  I will also plan my errand runs a bit better, to group things together more, and no go for as many "joy" rides :(

Either way, gas is still WAY cheaper here in the states than most other places in the world...just look at Europe.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 30, 2005, 08:18:28 AM
What? They pay the same we do..... per LITER! 8O

Yeah, I wouldn't be able to drive over there. Sell the car and get a bike and a raincoat. sheesh.

Glad my new place is 1.4 miles from the park-n-ride. That's walkable, and would be nothing on a bike - but who wants to take a bike over.... "The Bridge Of DOOOM (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=broomfield,+co&ll=39.916056,-105.094185&spn=0.005988,0.010478&t=h&hl=en)!!?"
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: gragravar on August 30, 2005, 08:29:23 AM
I rode the motorcycle today.  and probably will pretty frequently.  it gives me a nice 45mpg rather than the allroad's 20ish.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jayryan on August 30, 2005, 08:36:11 AM
Quote from: "03Indigo"
Either way, gas is still WAY cheaper here in the states than most other places in the world...just look at Europe.


Yeah, but I'm not terribly concerned with Europe's prices since I don't live there. What prices are here effects my life on a daily basis.

I've been seriously considering getting a motorcycle, but for now, I only live about 7mi. from where I work so finishing the basement and maybe making the house a bit more energy effecient will be the higher priority.

We are Americans though and I suspect that most people won't give two winks about it until it's somewhere in the $3/gallon range.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 30, 2005, 09:11:51 AM
Its already broken the $3 mark in CA, maybe other places as well. Glad I got that MAF replaced in my car - my MPG went from 20 to 30 overnight! 8O

to quote a post over at pWorld (http://www.passatworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=191764):
Quote

When I filled up the company truck yesterday in San Francisco, premium was $3.16.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: ianacole on August 30, 2005, 09:14:33 AM
Drive faster...if I get there faster I use less gas...right? :wink:
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 30, 2005, 10:03:10 AM
Yeah!

You know gas prices do suck, we can all do little things to conserve the gas we burn, namely in our cases not jam on the pedal so hard.

I have had like 10 people talk to me in the last couple days about wanting to buy a motorcycle because of fuel costs.  I just got done writing an e-mail to friend with the same thought and felt I would share my thoughts on that with you all.

Now keep in mind, most of the people coming to me have never owned nor ridden a bike in their life, so keep this in mind when I say the things I do.

Most of thgese people are reacting to rising fuel costs, think about this though. You can get a bike for under $1K, but it will probably need some attention and if you don't have the experience and need something for commuting this isn't a great choice. regardless even if you did get one for 1K here is my example for costs:

I have a 1979 Honda CM400A (paid much less than 1K for 3 years ago), I can go about 60 - 70 miles before I should fill up. I have about a 1.5 gal tank. My commute is 52 miles per day, so i basically would have to fill up every day. Based on regular unleaded price of about $2.70/gal and putting in 1 gal per day I would be paying $13.50/week for a 5 day work week.

In that same time driving my car with 700 miles on it and averaging about 25mpg which would translate to about 10 gals of gas/week I would be spending $29/week based on premium at $2.90/gal.

Obviously you can see an instant savings of about $16/week by riding the bike, if you could imagine being able to ride 52 weeks a year (doubtful here) then you could save about $830/year. So you paid $1K for the bike and pay about $100/year to insure it. So the first year cost is $1100, you save $832 on gas but you are still negative ~$300.  You'll find it would take about 3/4 of the next year to break even (more insurance costs). Not to mention if you are still making payments on a car and paying insurance  on it and you don't use it.  Just ripping yourself off.

Based on this example, if you are tying to do this because of high fuel costs it doesn't make sense. I know more modern bikes are more effecient and have larger tanks and so forth, but for showing value I felt this was a good example. Obviously with a different bike/car combo those numbers would alter. Also, my car is not operating at it's optium efficiency yet since it is so new.

So in the end, I tell everyone, if you want a bike because you want to ride, then do it. If you just want a bike because of gas prices think it through. Just remember, it takes time to learn to ride to be safe, and while September yields some of the nicest weather in Colorado, by the end of October things change pretty quick.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Colorado_Baja on August 30, 2005, 10:46:27 AM
Im gonna finish the Baja and let it suck up all the 85 it wants, Damn preimum.. if it goes up much more Ill have a Revo ECU for sale..

What up JR? Havent heard from you in a while..

Greg
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jfrahm on August 30, 2005, 10:58:12 AM
CO is great for motorcycles and pretty decent for scooters.  You can get a riding day in 8 months out of the year easily, assuming you can get the bike out of the shed or wherever it's been stored.

It does take a while to hit the break even point and it's not a good idea for a person who is not excited about riding to get one just to save gas.  A $1000 bike willprobably need repairs and catch-up maintenance, then there is riding gear, insurance, plates, etc.  It all adds up.  And the exposure to risk on a bike is significant enough that I discourage people from riding unless they love it.  It's dangerous, you gotta want it badly enough to offset the risk.

-Joel.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 30, 2005, 10:59:58 AM
Quote from: "jayryan"
Yeah, but I'm not terribly concerned with Europe's prices since I don't live there. What prices are here effects my life on a daily basis.


Fair enough, but we have had it good for a long time, that is all I am saying.  The grass is always greener on the other side, and in this case, the other side is ours!!!

Increased costs of living are a drag, but it is gonna happen...we will all adapt and in 5 years, we will say...remember when gas prices were under $3 per gallon?  I remember when it used to always be under $1 per gallon when I first started driving.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 30, 2005, 11:03:40 AM
I remember the lowest I ever paid for gas in Colorado was $0.89/gallon and that was probably 12 years or so ago.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 30, 2005, 11:04:11 AM
other things to do to save on milage is to decrease the size of rim you are running, and the width of the tire....as well as the type of tire.  We all know the tires we run eat up milage.  I remember when I went from my 195-15's to my 235-17's that I lost about 6mpg overall on my B5.5 Passat.  When I first got it and drove it like a normal car, I could easily get 32-34mpg...as I started driving it hard and with the tires and heavier rims on it, I droped to the 24mpg range, and at best could get something like 27mpg.  So....if you are REALLY concerned, you can go back to a 15 inch rim and smaller tire...that will help your average MPG over time.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 30, 2005, 11:04:49 AM
Yeah I remember in high school it was 0.85 or so, then the first Gulf war came around and it shot ALL THE WAY up to 1.25, everyone thought that was sooo expensive, look at us now.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Colorado_Baja on August 30, 2005, 11:06:20 AM
Quote from: "gietl"
I remember the lowest I ever paid for gas in Colorado was $0.89/gallon and that was probably 12 years or so ago.


I think the lowest price i ever paid for gas in CO was $0.99/gallon that was for 7-11 85 when I was a sophmore in highschool so 5 or 6 years ago.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 30, 2005, 11:06:32 AM
BTW...Costco has not changed their prices as of yet, 91 oct is still $2.749 and 85 oct is still $2.649...I just filled up both the MINI and Subaru this morning.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 30, 2005, 11:09:34 AM
We filled up Sunday night at 11pm after watching the news, paid $2.77/gal for premium for each car.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 30, 2005, 11:42:14 AM
I'm going to be doing the same thing I always do, just now I'm going to purposely avoid looking at the price on the pump station and I'm no longer saving any receipts.  Ignorance is bliss, to use a cliche.

Oh yes, and in certain parts of Illinois, gas is now over $3.00/gallon, with that price expected to hit St. Louis this weekend.  I might be in the advance lines of the rising gas costs. You can set your financial forecasts according to me!

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: evil_O on August 30, 2005, 12:03:25 PM
Hmmm... maybe I will buy different cars.  Wait... already did that.  

My wagon had doubled my gas mileage from the f150 and the '3' is getting 400 miles to the tank (14 gal) in the city... on mid grade.  

I think we are good for now, but we still feel the pinch.

One other thing... looking for another job - same field - with better pay!
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Spicoli on August 30, 2005, 12:37:24 PM
Most days I ride my bike to work anyways... but not gas is getting crazy, which just further entices me to use 100 octane (still only $5) and ride my bike even more.  My work is remodeling, and since parking is going to be such an issue, the owner is offering $3 a day to anyone that rides their bike in... that is double the incentive
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 30, 2005, 12:44:52 PM
That's like a gallon of gas per day! So if you ride 5 days a week, that will get you 5 gals at the end of the week!
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 30, 2005, 12:58:14 PM
That's awesome. It'd be a bit far for me to ride a bike to work!

Speaking of incentives, Boulder is giving out eco-passes for people who work in town. This is an amazing step towards getting people to take public transportation. A one way ride on the express bus I ride every morning to Denver is about $3. With eco-pass its free. I have to pay for mine, but I get it through work pre-tax which comes to about $15/month. Not as good as free, but certainly worth it.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: aowhaus on August 30, 2005, 01:02:52 PM
My Passat is pretty much my weekend Target and Home Depot hauler.
I don't really drive much and I was shocked at my last fillup on saturday -- $36 on premium (I remember paying only $25 for a usual fillup).

My moped is my main ride.  I fillup every two weeks which the latest fillup costed me $3.40.  My moped pretty much paid itself off in gas and parking (parking near my office costs $5/day, $10 on game days).

I'll probably walk to work when it gets too snowy to ride my moped -- I really need the exercise.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: evil_O on August 30, 2005, 01:06:38 PM
Sounds like I really need a moped.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 30, 2005, 01:11:40 PM
I do miss living 2 miles from work. It was awesome back in the day.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 30, 2005, 01:20:20 PM
I live 2.5 miles from my school, and I have a really nice bicycle, but I'm afraid to ride it. That's for several reason, the first of which is that I live in St. Louis and I don't feel safe with the type of driver that frequents our roadways.  Second, my books are so heavy that I feel riding a bike with them on my back would be quite the balancing act.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 30, 2005, 01:25:32 PM
Sounds like somebody needs a trailer:
(http://www.psnw.com/~jmrudholm/trailer2.jpg)

:lol:
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 30, 2005, 01:38:31 PM
Awesome! I'd get mad props at my school for tying that up in front of the building...:)

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 30, 2005, 02:49:10 PM
I say, go high tech and get the Bob bike trailer....serious style!!!

(http://www.ababyoutlets.com/images/bob_yak_trailer.jpg)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 30, 2005, 02:51:19 PM
Only if I can have the flag and customize so I can put "Haseman" on the it in bold lettering.  

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jayryan on August 31, 2005, 06:31:47 AM
Quote from: "evil_O"
Sounds like I really need a moped.


I think this is the funniest visual I've had in a long time...Jer pulling up to the station with his hockey-sized duffle on a moped. Even better if it's the one with pedals.

Okay, to alleviate the "JR's an idiot" statements on this thread....

I've had at least three dirtbikes at any given point since I was about 12 up through college. My dad's had big cruisers the whole time and has finally settled in with his '02 Fat Boy. I'm always trying to dig up a bike when we're visiting so I can ride with him. I love riding. I think it's just a blast.

Now I'm married and my wife says bikes are dangerous and never wants me to have one. She's ammending that statement as we see our gas dollars budgeted go up and up and up. Will I have to drive my car in sometimes? Of course. Will I enjoy the bike more? Probably. Will I get one now? Probably not. I'm finishing the basement...

Back to the topic at hand. I filled up last night at $2.79. $25 for a half tank. I'm not entirely ready yet to lose the 18's, but I am very interested if anybody wants to trade 17's for 18's. I am going to be pulling out the larger injectors though. My MBC is hosed, so I can't turn the boost down at all. It's stuck at full-on again. That does keep me at partial throttle though...
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on August 31, 2005, 07:01:42 AM
I was actually talking with an investor and financial planner yesterday about the issue.  Rising fuel costs for most individuals are something we only see at the gas pump; however it is the costs that are increasing elsewhere that we have to watch out for.  Everything travels on a truck, train, boat, airplane and all of those transportation methods cost more today.  One of my clients is a logistics company that ships truck loads across the country.  They recently passed on a $.10 per mile increase to cover additional costs.  This ultimately is paid by us.

With that in mind, I personally agree with Jay.  If you do the real math, the costs of fuel today probably range from $25 to $40 per month more for the average person, from their averages last year.  Since I drive 3500 miles per month, itís a bit more but am I going to stop modding my car to save 6mpg? Probably not, because that is something I am willing to accept.  For me, that 6mpg difference equates to $100 per month in savings.  For most people, it is less but still a significant amount.  It is the people  that are selling their current vehicles at a loss of equity to get into something with better mileage that I worry about... it is probable that the return on their investment will take several years, not calculating any loss they took to get into somthing else.

There is going to be a point (I think $90/barrel) when the market can no longer bare the rising costs of energy.  Consumers are a part of the picture, but it is also manufacturing, production of goods, transportation that also play into the picture.   When the demand for energy suddenly falls because no one can afford it, the prices of energy will recede because the supply will start to increase again.  Ultimately it is going to be a very interesting dynamic over the next year with energy costs, the feds trying to curtail inflation, and the economy's growth.  

Itís not what we pay at the pump today I worry about... wait until you see your gas bill this winter.

Jason
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on August 31, 2005, 07:22:57 AM
At the risk of soundling like a stuck-up ass in my previous post, I personally would cut down on other expenses before selling or reverting my car back to stock... it is a hobby and source of enjoyment.  

I was checking wholesale gas futures for September get this $.51 cents higher than August... ouch.  That means we could be paying between $3.29 and $3.59 by the end of next month for premium... fun.

Those prices could even be higher if refineries in the gulf area are as damaged as people think.  Because that region produces 10% of the fuel we consume in the USA, it is going to be a significant shock already serious fuel inventory issue.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 31, 2005, 07:24:01 AM
Quote from: "JDawg"

Itís not what we pay at the pump today I worry about... wait until you see your gas bill this winter.

Jason


Oh crap, I didn't even think about that. Time to insulate my apartment out here, everything right now is single pane windows.  St. Louis can be a cold, cold place for sustained periods of time.  This is when I wish I had gone to school somewhere else, someplace...warmer.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 31, 2005, 08:12:11 AM
And JR, no one, including myself, said or is implying that you are an "idiot." I just pointed out costs. That's it.  A lot of people think a motorcycle is a quick solution to the problem, but in most cases it is not because of the costs to get into it even if you are an experienced rider, buying a bike costs money.

As for de-modding. I agree that there isn't much of a need at this point, we aren't far off from the colder weather and the point wheere most switch over to their winter wheels which are usually smaller anyway.

In regard to injectors or any other fuel and engine management changes I don't think there is a cause for alarm their either.


How about this for a dangerous fuel saving recommendation, draft!
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: TurboDub on August 31, 2005, 08:32:16 AM
I just ordered one of these

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9130/eskimosuit0za.th.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eskimosuit0za.jpg)

and plan to ride my motorcycle through the winter.... 8O  :lol:

 :idea: I will also turn the heat off in my apartment and just wear it to bed...
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 31, 2005, 08:33:05 AM
hhahahahhah...awesome! Get me one too!
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 31, 2005, 09:02:28 AM
Quote from: "TurboDub"
I just ordered one of these

(http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9130/eskimosuit0za.th.jpg) (http://img19.imageshack.us/my.php?image=eskimosuit0za.jpg)

and plan to ride my motorcycle through the winter.... 8O  :lol:

 :idea: I will also turn the heat off in my apartment and just wear it to bed...


With the gas costs, I'm going to need that just sitting indoors.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: gragravar on August 31, 2005, 09:22:54 AM
Seriously - I do ride for most of the winter.  as long as the temp is above about 10 deg F and there is no snow on the ground.

the secret is one of these:  (http://www.bmw-riders-gear.com/Img/Img/vest_heated-deluxe.jpg)

it is an electrically heated vest you plug into the bike.  keeps your body core warm which keeps the blood flowing to your extremities to keep them warm too.

http://www.bmw-riders-gear.com/BMWRA_products.asp?page=14&c=Clothing%3A+Other&sc1=Other&m=MC%2DRiders&c1=Clothing&type=&r1=ALL&md=&a1=ON&d1=ON&i1=ON&p1=1&s1=

other companies also make heated gloves and socks that can share the same ascessory outlet on the bike.   8)  It is pretty hard core when you go that far though.  Then again it is pretty hard core parking a motorcycle in front of the office when the ride in was 12 degrees and the expected high temp is only in the 30's.   8O
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 31, 2005, 09:31:45 AM
Nice Andrew.  Some of us old schoolers don;t get those fancy pancy accessory outlets ;)  We live off the heat produced by the engine. So basically my legs satay warm while the rest of me freezes. :)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: gragravar on August 31, 2005, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: "gietl"
Nice Andrew.  Some of us old schoolers don;t get those fancy pancy accessory outlets ;)  We live off the heat produced by the engine. So basically my legs satay warm while the rest of me freezes. :)


my bike didn't come with one either - I had to install it.  don't save all the mod money for the car - you can mod the bike too, you know.   :wink:
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jfrahm on August 31, 2005, 09:45:01 AM
Heated grips help a lot too. On my CBR I installed a set of stick-on handlebar heating elements designed for snowmobiles and added new grips on top of 'em.  They work great.  I put a big piece of heat shrink over the LH bar first (with some glue under it) to insulate the bar from the element, otherwise the LH element has to heat up the whole left bar while the RH side is insulated by the throttle tube.  This helps the bars heat evenly.

You can get electric gloves too, but they are kind of bulky and I generally prefer lighter gloves and heated grips.

-Joel.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jayryan on August 31, 2005, 09:54:53 AM
There's alot of things you can do. However, I did lose 100mi. on a tank in my car. As far as de-modding goes. Some of this is just a kick in the pants to get some things done that have been planned for a while.

Some of you make alot of money so seeing $3-4/gal. at the pump is not a huge issue, but for others it is. As far as the rest of the market? It's not predicted that gas costs will spark rising inflation until it's around $4-5/gal. Or course, nobody counted on the effects of the Hurricane. Which, I think will have a greater economical impact than just oil drilling.

General consumers won't really change their habits either until it starts making a noticable dent in their budget. You'll need a bigger gas bill to register in a bigger bank account. From what it sounds like here, that's true.

There's steps I'm going to take that just need to be done regardless. As far as the car? When the turbo goes, I'm putting in a KO4 and programming, but for now, it's not running optimal, and I can still 100mi. extra a tank. That's also my choice. Hopefully, I won't need to because the Saudi's will save us :)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on August 31, 2005, 10:33:01 AM
Frankly, it doesn't matter how much money one makes, $3 - $4 /gallon is a lot. We have seen a huge jump in gas prices in just the last couple years. It affects everyone. However, little changes as you, I and everyone else has indicated can help offset those hardships.

JDawg made the most important point, the real hit isn't at the pump for us, but the costs that will be passed onto us from everyone else.  I had my pool table moved on Friday, I called when we bought the house at the end of June and got a quote. Called 2 weeks ago and the quote was $25 more. Their reason, growing fuel costs.

What we really need are energy efficient monkeys to push our cars around. When going up hil, press a button and they pop out of the trunk, and help push the car up the hill to save some gas.  Sure you might lose a few monkeys int he process, but in the end you'll save money on gas ;).
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: ianacole on August 31, 2005, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: "gietl"
What we really need are energy efficient monkeys to push our cars around. When going up hil, press a button and they pop out of the trunk, and help push the car up the hill to save some gas.  Sure you might lose a few monkeys int he process, but in the end you'll save money on gas ;).


Won't that drive monkey futures up?  Cole, what are monkey futures trading at currently?
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: gragravar on August 31, 2005, 10:47:00 AM
Quote from: "gietl"
What we really need are energy efficient monkeys to push our cars around. When going up hil, press a button and they pop out of the trunk, and help push the car up the hill to save some gas.  Sure you might lose a few monkeys int he process, but in the end you'll save money on gas ;).


(http://sidesalad.net/archives/TrunkJpg.jpg) (http://s94992504.onlinehome.us/coppermine/albums/Videos/Commercials/thumb_TrunkMonkey5_high.jpg)
 :?:  :?:  :?:  :?:

yeah, not looking forward to the inflationary impact on all consumer goods yet.  Maybe I should find a job where I can work at home.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: gragravar on August 31, 2005, 10:49:04 AM
Quote from: "ianacole"
Won't that drive monkey futures up?  Cole, what are monkey futures trading at currently?


maybe we could switch to penguins instead:
http://www.penguinwarehouse.com/
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Eric18T on August 31, 2005, 11:10:49 AM
I am going to change NOTHING! we bought 2 cars to commute with and enjoy.  I am not going to do something because gas is expensive. Yep i spent $43 yesterday to fill up my car, oh well. That is just a associated cost of having a vehicle. Atleast i have a vehicle i like and want. It would be different if i didn't like my vehicle.

Actually these next 2 months i think we will do more driving than usual. We are picking up our new kayaks on friday and my wife has a whole list of places she would like to visit and try kayaking before the water gets too cold. We take her TDi kayaking and with the boats on the roof we still get about 46mpg.

We just bought new XC skate skis to, so i know we will spend more weekends this winter up in the mountains.  With the snow we will take my A4.

The gas prices are an uncontrollable peice of your daily life. Everything we buy will cost a little more, but i am not going to out of my way to change the way i do things.  I may make my routine trips and errands a little smarter like Jon said, But this is life. I still want to have fun and as long as i can afford to enjoy my life i am going to keep things just like they are right now. :)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 31, 2005, 11:12:20 AM
...or an army of squirrels. Seriously, think of the import and maintenance cost of a pack of penguins or a group of monkeys. Why waste the money, when we've got plenty of unemployed squirrels in the area?  And all they eat is nuts.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Eric18T on August 31, 2005, 11:14:38 AM
Quote from: "ianacole"


Won't that drive monkey futures up?  Cole, what are monkey futures trading at currently?


monkey futures are down. The expected demand for trunk moneys is declining in a 2 fold relation to oil futures. Things don't look good for the trunk money producers.  I just bought some put contracts on my trunk monkeys.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: ianacole on August 31, 2005, 11:18:45 AM
Quote from: "Eric18T"
monkey futures are down. The expected demand for trunk moneys is declining in a 2 fold relation to oil futures. Things don't look good for the trunk money producers.  I just bought some put contracts on my trunk monkeys.


I've heard that a restructuring of the trunk monkey supplier organization, coupled with a resurgence in demand, is looking promising for future profits, and is promising for investor portfolios.  However, growth in the penguin and squirrel sectors may reduce forcasted profits.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on August 31, 2005, 11:26:03 AM
Quote from: "jayryan"

Some of you make alot of money so seeing $3-4/gal. at the pump is not a huge issue, but for others it is. As far as the rest of the market? It's not predicted that gas costs will spark rising inflation until it's around $4-5/gal. Or course, nobody counted on the effects of the Hurricane. Which, I think will have a greater economical impact than just oil drilling.


I agree JR, everyone is affected by this differently.  For, I can pass on higher gas costs through my business to my clients, so I have a recourse for paying more at the pump.  It is the normal average person that is going to dictate what the market will do in the future.  When people start racking up debt on the cards and eventually run out of options to pay down their card balances, we will really start seeing the affects of what higher engergy costs are going to do to our economy.  It is going to be a delayed effect that we will not see for several months.  I expect that within the next 6 months, demand for energy will decrease starting the process of inventory increases.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: TurboDub on August 31, 2005, 11:43:21 AM
Quote from: "Eric18T"
I am going to change NOTHING! we bought 2 cars to commute with and enjoy.  I am not going to do something because gas is expensive. Yep i spent $43 yesterday to fill up my car, oh well. That is just a associated cost of having a vehicle. Atleast i have a vehicle i like and want. It would be different if i didn't like my vehicle.

Actually these next 2 months i think we will do more driving than usual. We are picking up our new kayaks on friday and my wife has a whole list of places she would like to visit and try kayaking before the water gets too cold. We take her TDi kayaking and with the boats on the roof we still get about 46mpg.

We just bought new XC skate skis to, so i know we will spend more weekends this winter up in the mountains.  With the snow we will take my A4.

The gas prices are an uncontrollable peice of your daily life. Everything we buy will cost a little more, but i am not going to out of my way to change the way i do things.  I may make my routine trips and errands a little smarter like Jon said, But this is life. I still want to have fun and as long as i can afford to enjoy my life i am going to keep things just like they are right now. :)


Yep- no matter what it costs I'm gonna need it, so I don't even think about it...I watch my tank fill up and my account balance go down. It's just a fact of life I have to adjust to and deal with.  :roll:
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 31, 2005, 12:08:44 PM
Quote from: "JDawg"
I personally would cut down on other expenses before selling or reverting my car back to stock... it is a hobby and source of enjoyment.


I agree, that is my point.  For those of us on this forum, to complain about gas prices is somewhat hypocritical....We have all modified our cars to provide a source of daily enjoyment, and we spend a good share of our funds on this hobby.  I can personally say that I spend upwards around $10K per year in auto related products soley for the enjoyment fo my cars....mods, upgrades, tires, and car care products.  If I really wanted to save money, I would curb that spending over worrying about gas prices.  But personally, I love the auto luxuries I have, the enjoyment, so like Jason, I will find other ways to offset the rising cost of gas and the secondary price increases related to this crisis as Jason so appropriatly pointed out for us all.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 31, 2005, 01:16:57 PM
Agreed on that point. Not that I have any hardcore modifications on the 2.8 (like a PES Supercharger), but I wouldn't de-mod my car for rising gas prices.  But then, I still average 20 MPG in the city and I drive maybe 40 miles a week, if that.

One thing that has personally irritated me is that I have a lot of friends who talk down people who own mopeds.  I think they're great, in fact, I know very few relatives in Germany who don't own one and use it on a regular basis.  Now, if we could only have Audi bring over their TDI engines, that would be great. A4 TDI wagon would be near the top of my list for replacement cars.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 31, 2005, 01:43:11 PM
I'd love to find an old TDi and do a biodiesel conversion. But garage space, time and money are keeping me from that project for now....

I think old fryer oil is more like $3 a fill-up rather than $3/gallon.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Eric18T on August 31, 2005, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: "hotani"
I'd love to find an old TDi and do a biodiesel conversion. But garage space, time and money are keeping me from that project for now....

I think old fryer oil is more like $3 a fill-up rather than $3/gallon.


our 1 tank of biodiesel wasnt so great.. the car lacked power and didn't seem to run as smooth.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 31, 2005, 01:53:07 PM
I'm also going to say, since I didn't address the money issue discussed earlier, that that is a major factor. I'm in school, as I think everybody knows at this point, and don't have a ton of cash, and absolutely zero cash flow.  I used to love to drive around for the hell of it, whether to calm nerves or to pass a half an hour. I don't do that anymore. And I'd like to say that if I were working, I probably still would be.  I really miss the driving around (as it is one of my favorite things to do), and acknowledge that the only reason I no longer do it because of the guilt it imposes now when I burn through $5 or $10 worth of gas just cruising around the city for an hour.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 31, 2005, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: "Eric18T"

our 1 tank of biodiesel wasnt so great.. the car lacked power and didn't seem to run as smooth.

Could you run it without converting anything? I thought something had to be done to the engine first.

I could deal with some power loss for a cheap tank of gas - keep in mind, for me this would not be an A4 replacement, but a daily beater for cheap transportation.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on August 31, 2005, 02:10:47 PM
From experience in Germany, I know you can take the 1.9 PDI or 2.5 TDI and just pump in the biodiesel.  One of my grandfathers in Germany is a taxi driver, and he was filling that stuff in. He always liked to tell me that it would smell like French fries in the winter when he started the car in the garage, and it would leave a slightly yellow film on surrounding objects.  But I know he didn't make any conversions.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jfrahm on August 31, 2005, 02:22:38 PM
Quote from: "hotani"
Quote from: "Eric18T"

our 1 tank of biodiesel wasnt so great.. the car lacked power and didn't seem to run as smooth.

Could you run it without converting anything? I thought something had to be done to the engine first.

I could deal with some power loss for a cheap tank of gas - keep in mind, for me this would not be an A4 replacement, but a daily beater for cheap transportation.


You should not need anything for plain B20 (20% bio) and generally people find they get a smoother,cleaner running car.  Older cars might need some fuel system upgrades (old rubber hoses cannot handle the methanol) and might get a clogged fuel filter from deposits coming loose.  For B100 (100% bio) you should be OK with a newer fuel system but there is a greater likelihood of a clogged filter as it has more of the stuff that cleans things out.

You only need significant mods if you go to SVO (straight vegetable oil) where you need to preheat the oil before injecting, etc.

An interesting page:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html

-Joel.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 31, 2005, 02:48:29 PM
great link - thanks. *reading...*
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on August 31, 2005, 03:30:09 PM
hmmmm - making biodiesel would not be an option for me where I live, nor would I want to have those chemicals around with a 6-year-old in the house. The work involved seems intensive at first, although I'm sure I'd get used to it and develop a process after the first couple of times. I think SVO would be a better option - do the work to convert the engine up front and then just process the oil rather than mess with NaOH (Tyler Durden saying: "this is a chemical burn..." comes to mind) and methanol. Although I do have some ethanol around the house already... ;)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jfrahm on August 31, 2005, 04:03:25 PM
SVO became viable in the UK at one point when fuel prices got really high.  Making biodiesel is more for the hobbyist, and the person with a lot of used veggie oil at hand.  Interesting to think about though.

What I have wanted to do is get a home fueler to run a car on CNG (actually a dual fuel CNG/Gasoline car.)  Natural Gas is going to get very expensive too, and the cost of a NG carb, tank, etc. is probably significant.  Also interesting to consider.  What I really ought to do is use my bicycle more, which is powered by clean, renewable mexican food.  

-Joel.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on August 31, 2005, 04:32:51 PM
(http://www.rmcb5.com/albums/album11/gas.jpg)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Spicoli on August 31, 2005, 04:38:53 PM
WOW!!!!  gas has gotten so expensive they have had to start using letters to explain the price....
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: evil_O on August 31, 2005, 05:33:57 PM
Just saw a snippit on the news.... there is whispering it will reach $5 dollars a gallon. 8O
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: jayryan on September 01, 2005, 12:51:54 PM
It went from $2.85 this morning to $2.99 at lunch.

I think the Shell down the street has a guy standing there with numbers and a radio 8O

Jack! Call me! I'm gonna buy a bike :o  8O
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 01, 2005, 01:13:41 PM
conoco here in boulder is over $3 for regular and $3.29 for premium. In westy this morning it was 2.89 for premium - pretty big difference for 15 miles or so.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on September 01, 2005, 01:13:55 PM
I decided I am going to stop driving the Passat and go back to driving the scout.  Just want to burn up any fuel left :)
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on September 01, 2005, 01:21:13 PM
Well, up North where I live in Thornton it is $2.93 for premium.  Down south in Lone Tree, it is $3.23 for premium!  And it is going to go a lot higher.  I saw on the news last night that people in the suburbs of Atlanta are paying upwards of $6.09 for premium... now that would dent anyone's budget!  If I were to fill up my W8, it would cost me $121 for each tank, and it gets about 18mpg.  Thatís not a fun proposition...
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on September 01, 2005, 01:38:10 PM
Yeah, Dubya is gonna step in on that shizzle I got a feeling.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on September 01, 2005, 01:56:32 PM
Fresh off MSN "How high will gas climb before prices cool off? There's no way of knowing until damage from the hurricane is fully assessed, but predictions of $4 gas are becoming more common. John Pearson, editor of financial newsletter "The Bottom Line," told CNBC's "Squawk Box" that $5 gasoline is very unlikely unless there is another supply disruption"

They are saying these are temporary price increases.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 03Indigo on September 01, 2005, 01:59:37 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
Yeah, Dubya is gonna step in on that shizzle I got a feeling.


+1
There will be some regulation, it is not like there is a complete loss in reserves, there is a shortage, but really, do increse prices by nearly 200% in a week is not appropriate.

Just imagine if you were filling up one of those rapper SUV's....wonder if the new MTV videos will have hybrids in them :wink:
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Post by: BHase on September 01, 2005, 02:05:56 PM
I can see that. Not that it would be a bad idea.  Hybrid and diesel technologies could really use some endorsement from celebrities, especially in the U.S. where you can see a lot of sales stemming from new marketing campaigns involving celebrities (e.g. Adidas/Reebok, now joined, are trying to get more U.S. athletic endorsements to combat what they see Nike's superiority in the U.S. by athletic marketing).

Look how big the Escalade on dubs concept has gotten, mostly propagated by marketing campaigns and music videos.  It's a lifestyle.  So let's have Nelly roll up in a GMC Sierra Hybrid.  Too far off base?  It isn't like it is about the engine power anyway. So why put in the V8?

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: kutarkvalidus on September 01, 2005, 05:38:37 PM
I'll budget.

Frankly i think gasoline is an overinflated cost in people's lives.

Seriously sit down and think about some of the stupid shit people spend money on.

Go out and drop 40 dollars at the bar once a week?  Theres your tank of gas.  Like going out to eat? Usually runs me about 10 dollars every time i go out.

Got that directtv with every movie channel known to man?

I'm not trying to imply anything bad, people make their decisions.  I just find it amusing that some people will go to the gas station, spend ~30 dollars to fill up and bitch about the gas price, and then walk in to pay for the gas, and spend $1.50 on a liter of "aquafina". (note thats ~6 dollars a gallon for water that you pissed in, which then went down the colorado river, was used and abused about 67 more times, then purified in a plant in california, put in a bottle, and sold to the consumer at absurd prices...)

Anywhoo, it does kind of suck dropping 100 - 150 a month on gas, but you can definitely make cuts elsewhere to save the money.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 01, 2005, 06:45:27 PM
Quote from: "kutarkvalidus"
I'll budget.

Frankly i think gasoline is an overinflated cost in people's lives.

Seriously sit down and think about some of the stupid shit people spend money on.

Go out and drop 40 dollars at the bar once a week?  Theres your tank of gas.  Like going out to eat? Usually runs me about 10 dollars every time i go out.

Got that directtv with every movie channel known to man?

I'm not trying to imply anything bad, people make their decisions.  I just find it amusing that some people will go to the gas station, spend ~30 dollars to fill up and bitch about the gas price, and then walk in to pay for the gas, and spend $1.50 on a liter of "aquafina". (note thats ~6 dollars a gallon for water that you pissed in, which then went down the colorado river, was used and abused about 67 more times, then purified in a plant in california, put in a bottle, and sold to the consumer at absurd prices...)

Anywhoo, it does kind of suck dropping 100 - 150 a month on gas, but you can definitely make cuts elsewhere to save the money.


Although you know this, I'll just mention that the more gas prices rise, the more things will need to be cut out.  And these are things that bring some enjoyment into life. As you said, if you like going out to eat, you pay $10. If you like smoking (as I do), you pay $30 for a carton of cigarettes or more.  If you like going to the bar, you spend $40.  Sure you can cut all of these things out, but regardless of how many vices you cut out (and may be better for in the long run), it would definitely suck to work not for enjoyment, not for your vices or social life, but so that you can go to the pump and fill up your car week after week.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 01, 2005, 07:24:30 PM
Quote from: "kutarkvalidus"
Seriously sit down and think about some of the stupid shit people spend money on.

Go out and drop 40 dollars at the bar once a week?  Theres your tank of gas.  Like going out to eat? Usually runs me about 10 dollars every time i go out.

Personally I'd rather spend my $40 on a nice bottle of tequila. Save the driving for the weekend. ;)

$40 on a nice dinner is also preferable to a tank of gas. Guess my priorities are a little wacky. :lol:
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Post by: jayryan on September 02, 2005, 08:25:25 AM
Quote from: "hotani"
Personally I'd rather spend my $40 on a nice bottle of tequila. Save the driving for the weekend. ;) $40 on a nice dinner is also preferable to a tank of gas. Guess my priorities are a little wacky. :lol:


Ditto. Temporary or not, I'm going to watch my gas budget this month and see if it's more to fill up the car than a month bus pass...I'd have to tack on an extra hour for the commute, but it could be worth it. And I'd still be getting home earlier than I do now.

There's some of you that don't care and will pay whatever cost you want, but living in Chicago, I've seen the huge benefits and convenience of public transportation. In fact, I yelled at the city councilman in change of the Inverness area, because he was being a dick when I asked about further service down here.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 02, 2005, 09:25:08 AM
Yeah, people are quick to trash our public transportation system here in Denver - and true, it is nothing compared to larger cities (I lived in Japan - I know that with a good system a car is just a luxury). However, if you happen to live close to a park-n-ride (http://www.rtd-denver.com/parknride/images/pnrmap.jpg), you're options are better than you might think. Part of the reason I chose my new condo location was its proximity to Broomfield park-n-ride. <30 minutes to Denver OR Boulder on a nice bus; not the city busses but a smooth-riding, quiet airport bus with comfy seats.

I'm not sure what the future plans are for the light rail, but if there was one that ran Denver -> Boulder that would be ideal. Not necessarily for the time or comfort, but when you're standing there waiting for the always-late-when-it-snows bus one cold winter morning, the benefits of a train become very clear, very fast.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on September 02, 2005, 10:00:31 AM
I looked into riding the bus to work, but it is at least a 2 hour ordeal for me. just to get to work. I'm sure it will be worse coming home. Whereas it takes me about 30 mins to get to work in my car and 30min - hour to get home.

Time == money. :)
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Post by: hotani on September 02, 2005, 10:18:31 AM
Yeah, that is where our public transport system is weak: if you aren't going from one major station to another, it could take a while. When I 'go with the flow' and go from park-n-ride to work at peak hours, the commute is 30 minutes or less (with busses every 10 minutes). If I stay later and go to my class over on Colfax, then it could take 2 hours to get home as I have to either ride the light rail (few and far between at 21:00) or walk to market street station, then wait for the bus which comes every 30 minutes.

Once again, with light rail running all the way north (in the works, but could be a year or two before completion), that 2 hours would be cut to 1 hour or less easily. I'll bet that with gas prices like they are we'll see more and more motivation to expand the current system, as well as incentives by companies and cities (Boulder is already giving free eco-passes) to ride public transport.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on September 02, 2005, 10:21:42 AM
Yeah, I mean ther eis a park and ride close to me, but they all go downtown before they go west, so it actually takes me way out of the way then gets me to work (according to their trip planner).
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 02, 2005, 10:25:36 AM
hehe - sounds familiar... here's an interesting route: for me to get to Boulder from the Westy park-n-ride (Huron and 120th), I'd have to ride to Denver, then get the B to Boulder! So on those days I just drive about 2 miles farther to Broomfield PNR and get the B there. They definitely need to expand their routes for more options.
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Post by: jayryan on September 02, 2005, 10:35:22 AM
I checked the trip planner for myself, if my wife drops me off at the PNR on her way to school, I'm looking at around 45min. On the way back if I leave at 5, it'll drop me off at my front door in an hour. But I'm so freakin' close that it'd be tight...however, I wonder....*emailing HR*
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Post by: hotani on September 02, 2005, 10:38:03 AM
and if they don't offer them now, with enough people bugging them about it they might cave in.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 02, 2005, 10:50:23 AM
Personally, I just can't justify using the public transportation system in Denver.  Jay said it best, time is money!

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 02, 2005, 11:00:41 AM
Very true. And once again it comes down to my wacky priorities... I'd rather spend an hour sitting on a bus reading my book than 20 minutes in bumper to bumper traffic. To me, quality of time is more valuable than the time itself.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Uber_Wagon on September 02, 2005, 12:01:39 PM
Quote from: "BHase"
I live in St. Louis and I don't feel safe with the type of driver that frequents our roadways.  

Ben


I'd never ride a scooter in St. Louis either.   If youare in school (and don't need to stray far from campus) it might be ok, but since most everything is suburban and spaced out there, it would be hard to fet around without using the Highways and I wouldn't feel safe in that situation on a scooter.

Where are you at in St. Louis?   I grew up out there. (Kirkwood)

I'm glad I only live 9 blocks from work.  I've always joked that I shouldn't be driving to work at all, anyway.  Now I have some motivation to get over my early morning lazyness and actually thak the morning walk.

I sure do miss the days of filling up my Rabbit (First Car) for $6.00 back in the late 80's.
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Post by: 92UrS4 on September 02, 2005, 12:12:06 PM
Yes, but for me, spending that time with my fiancee, family or friends is worth more to me than saving some money and spending 4 hours of my day on a bus.

I would have to leave at 5:30am and I probably wouldn't get home until 7:30 or 8pm. That's a long ass day, not to mention I already work about 50 - 60 hours a week at least. I would be giving up an extra 13 - 16 hours a week riding the bus! If I work late enough, I get screwed on the bus thing I'm sure.

What sucks is, when I lived in Denver it was pretty easy to do the bus stuff, but since everything goes there first it is almost worthless.  

If it were only an hour, yeah I would do it. Maybe not every day, but as much as I could. Renee may start riding as it is pretty direct for her since she works  in Glendale/Cherry Creek.

However, we are waiting to see what happens in the next few weeks. There isn't a need to do it now, but if we can save $40 - $50 month by her riding the bus a few days a week it's not such a bad thing. That's almost 2 bottles of tequila and some margarita mix! (we're cheap) or almost a keg!
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 02, 2005, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
Yes, but for me, spending that time with my fiancee, family or friends is worth more to me than saving some money and spending 4 hours of my day on a bus.

I agree - if i had to spend 4 hours on the bus every day i'd probably go back to driving.

OT: just make sure you get 100% agave, AKA 100 octane tequila. Bottles of 30-30 are under $20 - MUCH less than a tank of gas! ;)

Cuervo gold (51 octane) will cause pinging and other long term consequences, one of them being 'acquired fear of tequila' or 'AFT.' :lol:
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Post by: 92UrS4 on September 02, 2005, 01:08:42 PM
LOL
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 03, 2005, 08:00:28 AM
Quote from: "Uber_Wagon"
Where are you at in St. Louis?   I grew up out there. (Kirkwood)


I live in University City, a couple of blocks north of downtown Clayton (Delmar & I-170).  I'm not too far at all from school, actually I just have to cruise 2.5-3.0 miles down Delmar to get there.

Oh, and by the way, I don't know if it is this bad yet in Denver, but I paid $3.39/gallon yesterday for 93 octane premium.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Uber_Wagon on September 03, 2005, 08:09:58 AM
Ahhh... 93 octane.  I wish I could score that out here...  (Maybe not with the high prices now, though)

It was $3.11  yesterday for 91 (the best we have here), and I just saw the guy swithing prices again this morning to $3.29.  This place is usally a bit cheaper than other area stations, too.  

 :evil: I had visions of bludgening the guy with his damn suction cup, number changing stick.  :evil:  But, I just drove on.

I take it your at Wash U?
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Vanimaniac on September 03, 2005, 09:22:10 AM
I bought this for my wife the other day.....

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v234/Vanimaniac/Kim%20and%20Van/KimScooter1.jpg)

Gets about 80MPG, doesn't require plates, registration, title, insurance (although I did buy insurance at 88.11/year at State Farm), and will hit close to 50MPH cause it has been degoverned.

We'll see how many days we can get out of it through the winter but if prices keep going up then I'll just have to in"vest" in that heated vest.

Van
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Post by: Eric18T on September 04, 2005, 08:53:06 AM
it was $3.43 for 91oct yesterday at shell. I opened the wallet and gave her $55.40 to fill her up. Oh well.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 05, 2005, 10:30:39 AM
Quote from: "Uber_Wagon"
I take it your at Wash U?


Right, Wash U law.  I now refer to filling up the car as rolling up a fifty dollar bill and sticking it into the gas tank.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on September 08, 2005, 09:31:39 AM
check out http://www.denvergasprices.com and you can search for the lowest prices in your area.  It is $3.19 for premium at the Shell near me, and prices should be dropping lower to under $3.00 fairly soon.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: 92UrS4 on September 08, 2005, 09:33:57 AM
Yeah, there is some gouging going on right now. I noticed prices as a whole have come up over the last couple days instead of staying steady and dropping.  Those stations are trying to squeeze more money out of people.

I am going to have to put some gas in tonight, I am going to hope prices drop tonight or maybe wait til morning and see where they are then.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 08, 2005, 02:18:57 PM
I had a bad dream last night, and gas cost $6.79 per gallon. No joke, I dreamt that.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: JDawg on September 09, 2005, 06:43:47 AM
The Energy Information Administration, a division of the U.S. Energy Department, revised figures for winter following Katrina and said:

_ Petroleum will cost 34 percent more than a year ago.

_ Natural gas will be 52 percent more expensive.

_ Electricity will likely cost Americans 11 percent more than in 2004.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 09, 2005, 08:57:10 AM
Quote from: "JDawg"
The Energy Information Administration, a division of the U.S. Energy Department, revised figures for winter following Katrina and said:

_ Petroleum will cost 34 percent more than a year ago.

_ Natural gas will be 52 percent more expensive.

_ Electricity will likely cost Americans 11 percent more than in 2004.


I wonder which will be cheaper: sitting in my car with the engine running and the heater on, or sitting in my apartment (single-pane windows) with the heating on. Hmm. How are people going to afford this? Many poor families had a real problem affording heating in the previous years without a 52% rise in gas costs.

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 09, 2005, 09:14:54 AM
Ouch. Anyone want to go wood stove shopping with me? :lol:

I lived in a house with wood stove heat for a winter in college. Had to cut wood ever couple of weeks (it was in the NC mountain 'wilderness'.. haha), but damn that heating bill was cheap (read: free)!
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: Spicoli on September 09, 2005, 06:32:50 PM
There is a place in Montana I go to a lot that has a wood stove thing to heat the whole cabin.   I love it, and chopping wood is so much fun.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: BHase on September 10, 2005, 12:47:28 PM
Not sure how the rest of my building's occupants would feel about all the smoke...

Ben
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: euro3b on September 14, 2005, 03:24:22 PM
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What are you going to do with rising gas costs?

Drive my car even harder!

Rich
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: s4josh on September 15, 2005, 07:37:50 AM
To fill my Passat I have been siphoning off my neibors Dodge and Ford diesel trucks.  It has been a nice transition from actually having to pay for fuel.
Title: What are you going to do with rising gas costs?
Post by: hotani on September 15, 2005, 08:01:51 AM
HAHAHAHA! That's awesome. :lol: