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Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 06, 2004, 04:41:16 PM
Dub and I have been talking about replacing our timing belts soon.  He mentioned there are a few others out there that are coming up on 60K miles, too.  Who would be up for a group timing belt change?

I'm going to change my transmision fluid soon, too.  It requires a special tool, so if anyone else wants to do this they can use my tool also.

I'll probably do an EFK at the same time as the timing belt.
Oh yeah, short shifter (V & S) is getting here in about a month too.   :)

So who's in for the timing belt?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on January 06, 2004, 06:26:10 PM
I would love to help, but since this will happen on a weekend, i won't be able to make it.  Let me know if you all need any tools from my neck of the woods, i would be happy to loan them out to you all.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: SweetVW on January 07, 2004, 07:11:24 AM
Though I am only at 42,500mi., I would like to attend for the knowledge aspect.  I will help any way I can.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: shummer on January 07, 2004, 09:08:31 AM
Might have to make this TB change an annual thing. I'm at 48k. Any other belts or things attached to the belt(s) that need or should be changed?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 07, 2004, 09:58:45 AM
I would definately be down for this but I have yet to buy a TB kit or EFK. When is anyone looking to do this? Do you think we could push it back a few months and wait for warmer weather or is this something that has to be done soon? Either way, I'll get the parts if you guys are going to do it sooner than later. Pat what EFK were you telling me about a few months ago? I was on the ECS site and couldn't figure it out...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 07, 2004, 10:44:00 AM
I think we're considering doing this sometime in the last half of February, but that's not firm.  I haven't looked at the parts yet, but I know they sell kits with everything you need.  I've heard the water pump should be replaced while you're in there, but don't really know if that's always the case or not.  Not sure what EFK I'll be getting, but I'm guessing it'll be whatever the company sells that we get the TB kits from.  Parts for VWs might be a good candidate for all of this stuff, as they're our sponsor.  ECS might be a good candidate, too.  I'm going to have to do a little bit of research when it comes time to order parts to figure out what I exactly need.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 07, 2004, 12:21:06 PM
Sounds good to me. Though, it might be a bit hectic for me during the last half of February. I will be moving into my new place then...but we'll see. Did you see the TB kits ECS sells? They include the waterpump and popular replacement parts. It seems reasonably priced but it would be nice to get some sort of discount...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 07, 2004, 01:43:50 PM
No, I haven't looked at parts yet.  Probably do that this weekend.  I'm not too surprised the water pump comes in the kit.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 07, 2004, 10:04:35 PM
ILL HOST IT AT MY HOUSE!!!!!!

my car is dead with a broken t-belt and i only have one hand so i cant do it....i have a two car garage, with a 250,000btu heater, so we wont freeze our arses off!

if anyone would like to come down and do the primary work and ill play go'fer (i.e. gofer beer, gofer a tool etc etc.)... i would be willing to hand out some cash, beer and food for the work!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 07, 2004, 10:08:39 PM
from vw/audi the kit for 96-99.5 b5 1.8t is 320.00, water pump can be found for 25 at autozone,

its also a good time to replace your other belts too and fresh coolant too!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 08, 2004, 11:22:31 AM
Mike, the only reason I would hesitate to do this at your place would be if one of us had to leave our car at your place for some unforseen issues.  I would be up for coming down and helping you get this fixed up with you though.  I would want to know what I doing first of course, so it might be after the main TB GTG.

Pat and I were talking about getting a GB going for these from ECS, since they have such great kits.  Pat is going to contact Tom there and see what we can get going, so stay tuned for an update on this soon.

Winston
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 08, 2004, 11:37:04 AM
yeah that make perfect sense..

i already have all the parts i need except for coolant and the accessory belts, which i will get 2morrow! wish i would have seen that earlier, but its only money i will make more!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: velo on January 08, 2004, 01:56:08 PM
Keep in mind that replacing the timing belt will basically be an all day operation.  Therefore, it might be difficult to do more than perhaps two at a time (assuming a two car garage).

ECS has a basic kit with just the belt and tensioners and an expanded kit which also includes a water pump, thermostat and accessory belts.  It's worth the extra $100 to get the full kit.

I'd be happy to help with this since I've done my own timing belt already.  Let me know what day ya'll decide on and I'll try to keep it free.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 08, 2004, 04:01:10 PM
Quote from: "velo"
ECS has a basic kit with just the belt and tensioners and an expanded kit which also includes a water pump, thermostat and accessory belts.  It's worth the extra $100 to get the full kit.


I agree...I want to do as much as I can while I have the front end apart. I also planning on going with a lightweight underdrive pulley kit. Alan, did you notice a big difference when you upgraded yours? Are there any drawbacks with the lightweight pullies? Thanks.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: velo on January 08, 2004, 04:10:46 PM
The underdrive pulley doesn't make a huge difference, not nearly as noticable as a chip, but it does help with the turbo lag.  You can test drive my car if you want to see how it feels (I might have some free time this Sunday).

The main drawback of the underdrive pulley is that the alternator and A/C compressor will be underdriven, so you don't want to run a huge sound system and your A/C might take a little longer to chill down completely in hot weather.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on January 09, 2004, 12:10:46 PM
I'm coming up on the 60k real soon, but we could be closing on a house at the end of Feb. So I'll have to see about the finances...eh
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: SweetVW on January 09, 2004, 01:14:00 PM
I would love to be able to do this now, but at the current mileage, I still have 15,000 or so miles before I reach 60k.  That is another years worth of driving.  I would like to observe though, I the proccess very interesting.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Hans on January 09, 2004, 07:46:22 PM
Hey this sound great!  I have the 60K and Timing belt that needs done.  This sounds much better then the $1400 the dealer wants.  Keep me in the loop.  I'd be happy to pitch in anyway I can.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 11, 2004, 05:54:48 PM
Hey Hans, Denver Pat will be doing this on his A4 as well, so we'll be able to do both Passats and A4s, without any trouble, since they are so similar in the 1.8t department...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 14, 2004, 09:45:35 AM
:cool:  :P  :-P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 14, 2004, 06:59:34 PM
Hey Lance, thanks for the info.  How are you liking the W8?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 15, 2004, 11:59:15 AM
hard not to like it, but the speeding ticket in my first 100 miles of drive time however..& I only get to drive it a few times a month.

great car, quite and fast.  I 'm too bizzy workin on my other stuff to mod it at all yet..Beth likes it, still wish it was a wagon sometimes.

Cool Idea for  a GTG btw, did all my friends 16v's back in the day :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: UberGrrl on January 15, 2004, 03:30:23 PM
I'd probably like to attend for the learning aspect, though approaching 40K miles I don't think I'll be doing it until next year probably. There's no way in hell I'd go down to Fountain for a garage day though.. sorry Mike. Just doesn't make sense when all of us live in the metro area. :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 15, 2004, 03:47:40 PM
So what's the word...2Pat, any luck with a GB for a TB kit from ECS, yo.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 15, 2004, 04:11:52 PM
I called Tom a week ago, left a message and haven't heard back.  I even called him and ordered a new diverter valve a couple days ago, mentioned it to him then to remind him, and still haven't hear anything.  I guess I'll have to give him another call.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 15, 2004, 07:26:38 PM
I sent Tom an email as well and am waiting to hear from him.  Kits are either in the "Basic" or "Ultimate" category and divided into the different engine codes they will work for:

Timing Belt Kit for longitudinal 1.8T - AEB & ATW Engine Codes Only
Includes Dayco timing belt, upgraded/updated OEM tensioners & OEM tensioner roller.  learn more $179.95  

ECS Ulitmate Timing Belt Kit - AEB & ATW Engine Codes Only
Everything you need for a complete timing belt job, buy it all together & save.  learn more $289.95  

Timing Belt Kit for longitudinal 1.8T - AUG Engine Code
Fits AUG Engine Code Only  learn more $199.95  

ECS Tuning Ultimate Timing Belt Kit - AUG Engine Code Only
Everything you need for a complete timing belt job, buy all together & save --  learn more $284.95  

Timing Belt Kit for longitudinal 1.8T - All AWM engine codes
AWM engine codes only  learn more $199.95  

ECS Tuning Ultimate Timing Belt Kit - AWM Engine Code Only
Everything you need for a complete timing belt job, buy all together & save --  learn more $284.95
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 15, 2004, 08:34:22 PM
I'm definitely in for the Ultimate TB Kit for an AEB engine.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 18, 2004, 06:24:53 PM
Reply from Brian at ECS Tuning:

Quote
Hello Winston
 
    Currently I am not interested on running a GB on the timing belt kits. I set the prices on these kits extremely competitive so there is not much room to move on the prices.
 
If you have any questions, feel free to contact us again.
Brian
www.ecstuning.com
800/924-5172


So, it looks like just under $300 is where we are at.  Not too bad, but still a chunk of dough!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 18, 2004, 08:41:50 PM
So much for a GB then....oh well, it's not too expensive. I think I'll order mine towards the end of the month along with a few other things, to save on shipping costs. When do we think we'll have a TB garage day - towards the end of February?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 18, 2004, 09:36:55 PM
ok aftrer the last 2 days i have become a timing belt replacement god...er ok but not a god, but i can take the front end off in 45 min (after the bumper is off), so when is this?


WARNING DO NOT LET YOUR TIMING BELT BREAK
youll get a CEL very similar to this one....
011900- primary tiptronic tranny failure/ your warranty is void  :-) and you are farked! please consult your nearest VW dealer to sign over your soul!
p 0370-90-00--
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 18, 2004, 09:55:20 PM
Haha!  That's funny.  True, sadly, but funny.  

Well, Timing Belt God, meet the Bathroom Tile God.  I will lay my soldiers down on the field with trowel against your soldiers with socket sets any time, bwaahaaha!

Thunder strikes in the background

Sorry, got a little carried away there.  Reading a book about Greek gods.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 18, 2004, 10:12:27 PM
[yoda voice]ah my young padawan learner how soon forget do you....
 i am also the god of wall pianting
and
 wood floor laying mmmm,yes watchout for splinters they burn when you pee

so ill hit you left flank with the gluegun cavalry as we brush the fieds with crimson (and a little bit of clover) and "roller" all over your trowel-armed infantrymen i will,mmmmm yes [end yoda]

checking forums, reading about civil war, listening to oldies, as jen watches episode 2 in the next room....

BOT-------
ok that kit fro ECS is very, and i mean VERY good price!

here is my list/cost
timing belt ki( TB, tensioner pulley and tensioner)/320.17
2 gals G-12, AC, alt and serpintine belts/ 78.00,
H2o  pump and gasket/ $22.95
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: mike618 on January 18, 2004, 10:45:58 PM
I am currently teaching "hero with a 1000 faces" by joseph campbell, we are doing greek gods to star wars all in one class.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 18, 2004, 10:49:51 PM
Mike, I've heard of that book.  It's about the idea that all myths are based on the same basic principles, right?

The book I am reading is Illium, by Dan Simmons, who lives somewhere in the front range.  He also wrote the Hyperion series, which is the Lord of the Rings of Science Fiction.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: mike618 on January 18, 2004, 10:59:42 PM
Yep...you are right he is the man when it comes to all of that mythic stuff...
I know dan simmons, he is a great author...I have the hyperion series and i used to have summer of night but that got lost along the way.
m
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 19, 2004, 06:56:12 AM
you guys really think ecs is the best deal?

I just looked up my costs and umm....there making money for sure!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: shummer on January 19, 2004, 09:07:22 AM
I think we all undertand businesses need to make a profit, but we just want a fair price. It seems ECS offers a fair price. If you can beat their prices and make a profit, then it's a WIN-WIN situation for all of us.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 19, 2004, 10:22:53 AM
:cool:  :P  :-P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 21, 2004, 11:39:47 PM
:cool: :P  :-P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 21, 2004, 11:49:21 PM
Lance, I don't know how many we are going to end up with but it looks like they are as low as they are willing to sell them for.

Thanks though.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 22, 2004, 08:30:51 AM
shakes head....

you think so?  hmmm.  one word. Wholesale

I give up.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 22, 2004, 08:46:22 AM
Me too.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on January 22, 2004, 08:59:16 AM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
Me too.


Yeah Pat....we all know you give it up :P .  BTW...K can't wait to see you again...all the girls thought you were "fun to look at"  hehehe
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on January 22, 2004, 09:16:31 AM
No I think they meant he was funny lookin'. :)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 22, 2004, 07:36:44 PM
He must not have told them about he can mod the headliners in their cars.  They they just look funny at him.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on January 23, 2004, 07:01:06 AM
Quote from: "ColoradoB5"
He must not have told them about he can mod the headliners in their cars.  


Actually, they know about that...and our newest favorite mod...the CRM.  Now that is a mod I am waiting for. :onfire:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 23, 2004, 09:27:43 AM
if lance can cget the parts wholesale, and then sell them to you with a lower markup then that would be goot, if he can piece the entire kit together for cheaper and still make a buck or two for him then WE should go thru him.
so far my total bill is $435... plus i need a new head.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on January 24, 2004, 09:34:52 AM
smells like chicken Wings MMmmmmmmmm
 :cool:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: grocerygetter on January 26, 2004, 01:09:41 PM
Do later 1.8's have shorter timing belt change intervals? My wife's 99 wagon says the timing belt interval is 105k. We're under an extended warranty until 100k so I'm not concerned, just wondering. Also, I am planning on chipping her car next month. I have a Wett in my TDI, but their chip is $100 more than Neuspeed, which is hard to believe. My question is this, should I get the .8 bar or the 1 bar Neuspeed chip. Also, how does our lower octane gas affect the performance of the chips? Sorry if my questions have been covered before, but I am a TDI guy, so performance mods to my wife's gas burner are a new challenge. Also, do I need to change her diverter valve to an aftermarket one if I am chipping it? Are the stock 1.8t exhausts sufficient for the chip, or should I upgrade to a 2.5 exhaust? Thanks for any help.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: grocerygetter on January 26, 2004, 01:12:18 PM
As far a prices go, 1stvwparts.com is Auburn VW in Washington, and they sell all of their parts at 10% over cost. Their parts are genuine VW, and are usually cheaper than anyone else.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on January 26, 2004, 01:39:03 PM
First off welcome to the club greocerygetter.

On the timing belt, we all know what VW recommends, but there are far too many cases of timing belt failures prior to 100K.  We've seen a number of cases where they fail around 60K.  So being proactive and doing the timing belt around 60K may save a lot of headaches.

Of course to each their own, it is really up to each owner if they want to invest the time and money in doing it early.  The negative result being a failure and a loss of the engine whether it's covered or not.

On the chip front most chips on average will give about a 40+ HP gain and a bunch of added torque.  There are a few different manufacturers.  We have discussed this a little bit here on this site so if you look under the discussion forum and maybe do a search more will turn up.  It is a little off topic for this thread.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: mike618 on January 26, 2004, 04:31:51 PM
Timing belt, get it done, mine went at 90,000 and the service manual said 105,000.  If you are not the original owner on the car, then you are screwed.  I would have had to shell out $3000 to get mine fixed after it went.  You will lose compression and mash open the valves.  It is nasty business.  The newer 1.8 ts have a better tensioner pulley on the timing belt. welcome to the club,,
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 26, 2004, 07:02:14 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
First off welcome to the club greocerygetter.

On the timing belt, we all know what VW recommends, but there are far too many cases of timing belt failures prior to 100K.  We've seen a number of cases where they fail around 60K.  So being proactive and doing the timing belt around 60K may save a lot of headaches.

Quote

 point and case my 98 a4 90,528 miles timing belt broke, now i need a whole new head (1500 rebuilt from vw/audi with a 500 core charge)

change your belt early!!!

oh and welcome grocerygetter
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: grocerygetter on January 27, 2004, 12:04:03 PM
We paid for an extended warranty that expires at 100k, so assuming my belt makes it that far, we will change it at 99,999k miles. Any failure prior to 100k will be completely covered under warranty.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on January 27, 2004, 12:39:22 PM
Quote from: "grocerygetter"
We paid for an extended warranty that expires at 100k, so assuming my belt makes it that far, we will change it at 99,999k miles. Any failure prior to 100k will be completely covered under warranty.


If it is a rock solid warranty you should be fine, just don't be doing 85 if/when it breaks ;) Just be sure EVERYTHING is covered in the warranty and just keep checking the tentioner and the belt once you get around 60K and so on and look for wear and listen for noise.  When the tensioner is going it has been described as a whistling or high pitched noise when cold similar to the noise a diesel Mack (semi) truck turbo makes.  Very different from our 1.8T turbo sound.

Not only has there been issues with these failing prematurely, but there is a positive correlation with dealers not noticing that they are wearing out.  Probably because they only check them evey 40K.

There are less cases of them failing than there are of those that do fail, but it is just an ugly mess if and when they fail.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: bedhes on January 28, 2004, 04:34:17 PM
hi all
i'm very interested in the timmingbelt gtg since i'm runing 78000 and want to take precautions but rather not go to dealer
so count me in!
;-)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: velo on January 28, 2004, 05:03:23 PM
So what's the status on this garage day?  Do we have a day picked out?  Everyone got their parts?  Who's gonna be first to get this done?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 28, 2004, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: "gietl"

... just don't be doing 85 if/when it breaks ;) .


sorry to say but the 1.8t is a SEVERE interferance head and if your engine is running above idle when the tensioner and/or T-belt fail you will have valve damage.

even at idle you are at risk... i was pulling into the Mcd's drivethru at 5mph way>2000rpm and my valves are farked! samething happened to Mike618 at low driving and engine speeds and he needed a new head also.

change it early!!! just my avid advice, i would hate to see my luck happen top anyone else!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 28, 2004, 11:52:45 PM
Quote from: "velo"
So what's the status on this garage day?  Do we have a day picked out?  Everyone got their parts?  Who's gonna be first to get this done?


I'll have my parts next week. I've got a TB, DV, and UDP kit on the way. Just have to get my ECU GIACtified then I'm good to go. If we wait long enough we could have a garage day at my new garage!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 29, 2004, 07:18:42 AM
Hey Alan, I'm just about ready to order my parts.  I think we are pushing for later in February for this GTG, but with all of the parts it takes, we wanted to get started early.

bedhes, welcome to the club!  I'm not sure what is involved with a TB change on the 2.7tt, so maybe Rian will chime in here to give us the scoop!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: HawkmanA4 on January 29, 2004, 12:41:56 PM
Just got back from the honeymoon and noticed this post. Sounds great! I will be there. I don't know if I can afford it right now but I know I need to do it eventually so I might just be there to learn. Right now I guess I need to do the 60,000 mile tuneup. Does anyone know what all is done? Can I do it or is it better to have a shop do it? If shop is the answer any recomindations?

for the TB GTG how many are for sure? Since it takes a day to do 1 (or two assuming a 2 car garage) We should make it a 2 day or 2 weekend deal. Let me know the day once it is decided.

As always thank you for the input and I look forward to seeing everyone again :D
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on January 29, 2004, 02:14:48 PM
Hey Hawk, I hope you guys had a fun honeymoon!

As for the TB, we don't have a hard count on the number of folks attending.  I know Chas, Boris, Pat, Mark and I for sure and I think several others are planing on it too.  

If we do it at my place (forcing me to clean the garage), then we can do at least 4 at a time, since I have some fairly flat driveway space.  Since there will be several of us working on this, we can have the experienced TB people (read: Alan Robertson) go around providing expertise as needed.  We should be able to get a lot of them done in just one day.

We can do it wherever works best though.

Pat, since you started the thread, we don't we list the confirmed TB install people and get a hard date, say Feb 21st?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 29, 2004, 02:24:48 PM
Put me on the "confirmed TB install" list and lets go for the 21st. I can't guarantee I will make it on the 21st because I'm still not sure when I'll be closing on my house, but I'll sure try. Most likely I be there. :)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on January 29, 2004, 02:39:55 PM
I also have that 10x10 canopy that can be used.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 29, 2004, 06:32:22 PM
the t-belt is really straight forward and pretty easy to do esspecially if you have all the tools....

im sure we all coulds knock out 4-6 of these in one day...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 29, 2004, 07:20:36 PM
Quote from: "madigan"
Put me on the "confirmed TB install" list and lets go for the 21st. I can't guarantee I will make it on the 21st because I'm still not sure when I'll be closing on my house, but I'll sure try. Most likely I be there. :)


Sign me up for that.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on January 29, 2004, 11:16:21 PM
Quote from: "HawkmanA4"
Just got back from the honeymoon


Hawk, good to see you back in town.  As for the 60K service, I think they just do oil, brake fluid, and maybe change plugs.  Not sure if they recommend flushing the radiator or not...but maybe we can check with a dealer or ASW in Broomfield to see what they recommend.  If there is anything I can do to help, you all know I am there...except that I can't be there for the TB change due to the weekend thing..
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on January 30, 2004, 12:57:42 PM
I'd like to show, I'll have to see what's going down with the house...we're looking at moving out by 2nd Creek... :shocked:
hehehe....I need to change that TB though. I DEFINATELY don't have the $$ to pay for it if it goes
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on January 30, 2004, 01:38:04 PM
I'll try and show to lend a hand and drink a brew or two.  If I have not done it by then I would like to try to change the DV.  

Off topic a bit - What size clamps do i need to change the DV?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on January 30, 2004, 09:46:55 PM
Hey Rob, forget the clamps.  Zip ties are the way to go.  Very common substitute and I've never heard of any problems with them.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on January 30, 2004, 10:31:45 PM
I would get clamps for the big hoses, they are cheap and more secure.  I do recommend a zip tie for the little hose.  That area is under pretty good pressure, I had not seated a clamp right and one of the fat hoses popped off while I was turboing onto 6th.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on January 31, 2004, 06:40:03 AM
Jay any idea of what size clamps for the larger hoses?  I really don't want to have to pull the pan untill I do this.  I did notice on HermanH's write up that he used clamps on th large tube as well.  I'll probably just take the DV to the hardware/autoparts store a get a few close to what looks like it will fit ove the larger hole with a tube over it.

Back on topic - When is this thing supposed to happen?Feb 22?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on January 31, 2004, 10:08:12 AM
Yo yo! I'm gonna be at the TBGTG. However, I kinda need to know how to find my engine code so I know what kit to get. Please? From previous posts I assume that ECS is the way to go?
I was also thinking about changing out a couple other things but not sure at this point. (DV, N75...or something, maybe, I don't know. I still haven't installed the fogs. This could be a good time since I've got the front end off) :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 31, 2004, 10:11:15 AM
Quote from: "gietl"
I would get clamps for the big hoses, they are cheap and more secure.  I do recommend a zip tie for the little hose.  That area is under pretty good pressure, I had not seated a clamp right and one of the fat hoses popped off while I was turboing onto 6th.


Jay, I didn't know you had a 6-speed... :P  :lol:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: HawkmanA4 on January 31, 2004, 11:15:48 AM
Anyone know the statis on the group buy? Is there any or are we just on our own?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 31, 2004, 11:43:21 AM
From page one, Hawk. It's a no go.

Quote from: "ColoradoB5"
Reply from Brian at ECS Tuning:

Quote
Hello Winston
 
    Currently I am not interested on running a GB on the timing belt kits. I set the prices on these kits extremely competitive so there is not much room to move on the prices.
 
If you have any questions, feel free to contact us again.
Brian
www.ecstuning.com
800/924-5172


So, it looks like just under $300 is where we are at.  Not too bad, but still a chunk of dough!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on January 31, 2004, 12:30:19 PM
:( I feel ignored. Does anybody care about me?
How do I find my engine code?
Thanks...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on January 31, 2004, 03:06:45 PM
its atamped on your head on the top intake manifold side!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on January 31, 2004, 03:09:59 PM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
:( I feel ignored. Does anybody care about me?
How do I find my engine code?
Thanks...


Maybe if you hung out more often...j/k. Actually your engine code is stamped right on the manifold, but to save you some time... you have an AEB engine, drive-by-cable. There you go! Are you replaceing your TB?

Werd
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on January 31, 2004, 04:13:47 PM
I was just out fixing my door and popped of the cover thinking it had to be on the engine somewhere. I found it. Thanks guys. I'm really not an idiot.

Yeah Mad, I am planning on replacing it. I just checked my other belts and one's good, but the other's got some fray. So I'll probably get the ultimate kit....eh. That's alot of money. Oh well.

I skipped the 40k check up so I'll probably put in some new plugs as well.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on January 31, 2004, 04:31:33 PM
Well count me in on this one. I'll need to get the parts but that's no problem. I think that I'll go with the ECS kit.  Compaired to the dealers prices their's is a steal!!!

So count me in on the 21st or 22nd. This one has already been OK'd by my wife! :) I say Winston's house would work out well. Two cars in the garage, noses out and two cars in the driveway, noses in. Is there room on the front lawn for a 5th Winston? With Alan bouncing between all the cars! Now that is a picture I want taken!!! Maybe from Winston's roof over the garage...
No one at CB5 has ever done what we are planning to do and this would really say something about our group out here!!!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on February 01, 2004, 01:39:16 AM
ok give me a def date... and i will try to get off work to come help!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 01, 2004, 10:50:41 AM
I'm sure glad Alan's gonna be there...this could get hairy quick for me...hehehe
...what's that screw for?
...I don't need this wire...
...belt? I was supposed to have a belt?
...oooohhh, that's what a bumper is...
 :lol:  8O  :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on February 01, 2004, 12:29:23 PM
Any one heard from Brad from Osborn?  This would be a good one for him to attend so he can meet more of the group as well as lend his techinical expertise.

I'll try calling him in the next few days to see what's up.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on February 01, 2004, 03:49:37 PM
-friendly advise everyone prolly already knows-

bring 10-15 large ziplock bags, and a medium sized box to keep their parts sepperated and orderly.

 it also help when putting it back together, (ok put the viscous-clutch assembly back on...grab the Visc.-clu baggy!)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: FastLane on February 01, 2004, 07:18:33 PM
I'm in. Someone get a plan together, and I'll go. Not needing to do the belt, but I'd like to see the process, as well as the Chasbar and Tip fluid changes, should either of those take place.

Mark
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 01, 2004, 09:19:06 PM
Mark, I'm planning on the Chasbar mod that day
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 02, 2004, 03:07:54 PM
Okay, I am creating a Calendar Event for the 21st and I'll have it carry over to the 22nd in case there is  a decision to do this 2 days or to move it to one or the other.  This way people can start planning.

I guess I can't really tell, but where do we want to do it and what tools/parts list should we layout so everyone that want's to be involved or get the know how knows...or something like that.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 02, 2004, 04:10:53 PM
Well, I think Winston offered up his house as a possible place. I can ask and see if the wifey would let me host it if you all wanted to come over here. Of course if I host it it'll snow and be -40 degrees out. If Winston does it it'll only be rainy and 38 degrees.  :cool:  :P  8O

I do have a compressor that I could bring over to Winston's house if we needed two compressors. I'm not real sure that an inpact gun will be used much. I do have a inpact ratchet that I like to use. It makes things go quicker for sure.

Anyone else what to offer up?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 02, 2004, 04:12:58 PM
As I mentioned before, I have a 10' x 10' canopy (we used it at Jon's for a garage day) that we can use for doing one outside of the garage.  Or doing any other garage day item outside of the garage.

I of course can supply what tools I have (sockets and such).
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 02, 2004, 06:08:39 PM
Alright everyone, the day has been set as Saturday, February 21st.  It'll be at Winston's place.  I'm sure he'll chime in soon to let us know how early we should be there.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on February 02, 2004, 09:54:04 PM
Chas - Is your VAG com software working properly?  If so PLEASE bring it over so we can try to do the tip "sport" mode adjustment.  

As far as a garage to use, I'd offer but I have an alley garage that is pretty small with limited working space.  Best suited for "intimate" gtg'ers. Plus I'm in the "hood" and might need you all to bring your Kevlar jackets.

Rob
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 03, 2004, 06:59:13 AM
Ok, looks like this'll have to be my first GTG.  Gotta show off the '04 to someone who'll appreciate her!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 03, 2004, 09:21:45 AM
Right on guys.  February 21st (Saturday) any time after 8am.  Since we have a lot to do, let's get started early.

Chas's VAG-COM works, but it looks like the port in his car is the source of the problem.  I'll send out an email to the list and also try and track down Boris too!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 03, 2004, 09:42:35 AM
I'm in and I'll be there early with some  :lol: grub my tools and a smile...

I don't what I'm doing so someone who does com early and help? Thanks :cool:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 04, 2004, 10:27:51 AM
Yeah, the VAG-COM works just fine and I tracked down the issue with my OBD II port. Everything was fine there too. It had to do with one stupid Blue/white wire I used to supply 12V for the powered antenna for my Pioneer HU. It was blocking the VAG-COM from working. It wasn't the K-wire either. I had that one taped off. It was really wierd. By fixxing that one wire I also got my AM reception to work perfectly! DOH!!!

Anyhow, yes, I'll bring the VAG-COM. Anything else?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 04, 2004, 12:23:07 PM
Good call Chas...do have to supply our own ramps or anything strange like that?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 04, 2004, 05:28:49 PM
I ordered my parts today. I should see them next week I would think/hope. Sweet!!! I'm so excited!!! And this isn't really a mod at all, but that nagging image of a trashed cylinder head will also be gone. That'll be nice.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: velo on February 04, 2004, 05:36:35 PM
JR,
If you can take your belly pan off without jacking up your front end, then you don't really need ramps or jack stands.  I was able to get by without using mine.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 04, 2004, 05:50:54 PM
Quote from: "Chas"
I ordered my parts today. I should see them next week I would think/hope. Sweet!!! I'm so excited!!! And this isn't really a mod at all, but that nagging image of a trashed cylinder head will also be gone. That'll be nice.


For me, its the one line in my ledger that reads, "Car Repair $3000" 8O
My stuff was shipped on Monday. I should have it soon. I also ordered Beru Plugs and the OEM TT DV. I'll be doing that as well. I hope to have my tails redone by then too, but I'm not so optimistic on that.

Thanks Alan, I can get my belly pan off without ramps...it's work, but I can do it.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 04, 2004, 08:05:29 PM
Well, I got my parts today...TB kit, underdrive crank pulley kit and a TT DV. I've also got blue tinted aspherical mirrors on the way (on sale at Impex, $40 for both) and a front license plate bracket. :roll: I got a used belly pan that I need to install too. See you at 8am sharp!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 04, 2004, 08:12:12 PM
Got a link for Impex?  Never heard of 'em.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 04, 2004, 08:17:44 PM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
Got a link for Impex?  Never heard of 'em.


Oh yeah...sorry.

http://www.vwparts.com/
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 04, 2004, 08:19:07 PM
Nice, thanks.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on February 05, 2004, 06:11:41 AM
Wish I could make this, but I will be working.  If you all need to use my Bently, let me know, I will make sure to get it to you all somehow.

Mark, sweet deal on those asphericals...that is about as cheap as I have seen them, even used.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 05, 2004, 07:36:17 AM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
Nice, thanks.


(http://www.rmcb5.com/modules/Forums/images/avatars/43ac823240142035a2646.gif)

Pat, every time I see this pic, it looks like you should be saying, "whachu talking bout foo!?"

I should be ordering my parts either tomorrow or Monday.  Also, I'm going to be getting brake pads and rotors for my car and Jen's as well.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 05, 2004, 08:21:23 AM
So I couldn't find the mirrors for my car.  Maybe I'll give them a call and ask if they have 'em, foo!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 10:53:05 AM
I never noticed it before, but I think Pat has a Bat in the cave!!!!

  (http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgC2Ah0UBaOy43Cid010Skr!z0I7FpSzTe2COOB78iyz1p0WV4Cknv!ybh4OY4HqPVzuKFTDyfSPlplOUFHnicLhr7RG01O5IiG871PwdZQ/Pat.gif?dc=4675458573910707151)

 8O  :D  :-D  :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 10:59:36 AM
I wonder if ECS is noticing all the TB kits being ordered from CO....
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 05, 2004, 11:05:40 AM
Separated at birth?

(http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0QgC2Ah0UBaOy43Cid010Skr!z0I7FpSzTe2COOB78iyz1p0WV4Cknv!ybh4OY4HqPVzuKFTDyfSPlplOUFHnicLhr7RG01O5IiG871PwdZQ/Pat.gif?dc=4675458573910707151)

Pat's parents
(http://wolverine.x-knights.com/fullsize/wolverine83.jpg)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 11:05:46 AM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
I wonder if ECS is noticing all the TB kits being ordered from CO....


I bet not.  :rolleyes:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 11:07:35 AM
Hey, What happened to Pat's and my MOTM Alumnus title? Just like that! BAM!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 11:13:03 AM
Quote from: "Chas"
Hey, What happened to Pat's and my MOTM Alumnus title? Just like that! BAM!


HAHA! You're down to one star! I've got more status than you!!! :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 11:13:54 AM
AHhhh!....Dangit! I lost a star and a level too :evil:  :cry:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 05, 2004, 11:14:26 AM
Muhahahhahahhahhahah! All your stars are belong to me!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 11:14:40 AM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Quote from: "Chas"
Hey, What happened to Pat's and my MOTM Alumnus title? Just like that! BAM!


HAHA! You're down to one star! I've got more status than you!!! :P


Yeah, and you used to be a "Guru" too. HA!!!! You're just a post whore.  :cool:  :D  :-D
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 11:14:58 AM
Well, for that matter...everyone did...

...welcome to the twilight zone....
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 11:17:22 AM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Well, for that matter...everyone did...

...welcome to the twilight zone....


No, the "Jay Zone."

Creepy... :nervous:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 11:19:16 AM
This thread is offically Off Topic now...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 11:21:17 AM
Quote from: "Chas"
No, the "Jay Zone."

Creepy... :nervous:


I guess...I liked being a Guru as I'm sure you liked being an alumnus...

JAY! Make me normal again!! :P  :lookround:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 11:29:21 AM
No, actually I like the title of "Member." It has a funny sound to it. Go ahead and say it out loud to yourself. Member... MEMber... MEMEBER...

See what I mean?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 11:36:20 AM
hehehe...you said "member" :sarcasm:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 05, 2004, 11:56:37 AM
FYI-
SupremePowerParts.com is selling their electric fan kit for $140 (group buy).  They normally sell for $225.  Mine will be here next week.  Just ordered all my other stuff from ECS.  BTW, I got a gallon of antifreeze, as some will leak out when we do water pumps.  I have enough for my car and one other.  I bought one gallon of it to mix 50/50 with distilled water.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 05, 2004, 12:07:54 PM
Hey I lost two stars and am no longer a moderator.  Chaos is sure to ensue.

Are your stars are belong to Jay.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: HawkmanA4 on February 05, 2004, 12:35:12 PM
Just placed the order for the ECS TB kit!! How about doing the snub mount at the same time? Is that tough?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 01:21:27 PM
I was thinking about the snub mount as well, however, I think if I bought one more item for my car, my wife will divorce me and everything is in her name...I don't want her to leave so I'm not going to do the snub mount (unless someone orders me one and I pay for it at the GTG 8O ).

I will also have at least a gallon of Antifreeze as well. (My Mazda leaky leakies everywhere)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 01:27:46 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
Muhahahhahahhahhahah! All your stars are belong to me!


You've only got two though....HEY! You lost 'em didn't you! :lol:  :cry:  :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 05, 2004, 02:28:44 PM
JR, I was thinking about getting one too, but I can't justify it either.  It's a quick install since you are already in there, but I'll do it later.

LOL! I just noticed that Chas changed his avatar.  I love that picture.

Jay, what is the new Star scheme?  Are there levels to attain?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 03:57:22 PM
Quote from: "HawkmanA4"
Just placed the order for the ECS TB kit!! How about doing the snub mount at the same time? Is that tough?


Quote from: "ColoradoB5"
It's a quick install since you are already in there, but I'll do it later.


There you be Hawk...

I just got my kit today...should be getting the DV tomorrow and the plugs soon as well as my S2KAnt. :lol:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on February 05, 2004, 05:11:51 PM
Quote from: "Chas"
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Quote from: "Chas"
Hey, What happened to Pat's and my MOTM Alumnus title? Just like that! BAM!


HAHA! You're down to one star! I've got more status than you!!! :P


Yeah, and you used to be a "Guru" too. HA!!!! You're just a post whore.  :cool:  :D  :-D



Chas "the pot calling the kettle black!"

Just look at cb5 to figure that one out.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 05, 2004, 09:14:05 PM
Quote from: "RobD"
Quote from: "Chas"
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Quote from: "Chas"
Hey, What happened to Pat's and my MOTM Alumnus title? Just like that! BAM!


HAHA! You're down to one star! I've got more status than you!!! :P


Yeah, and you used to be a "Guru" too. HA!!!! You're just a post whore.  :cool:  :D  :-D



Chas "the pot calling the kettle black!"

Just look at cb5 to figure that one out.


Chas is the house lady over there...soon to break 3k I think :cool:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 05, 2004, 09:50:27 PM
I'm not real sure why I suddenly thought that I needed to speak up over there. I guess I got into a mood.  Yeah, I'll be breaking 3K there real soon. The only thing is that I've been a member there since August of 1999. I was one of the first 100 members to that place. And that site had three different crashes. My real post count should be well over 7000 or so. But hey, who's counting? And by me calling JR a post whore, I did that tongue in cheek. Knowing all too well that I am a post whore as well. Not to the same standard as Jon, but I can dream can't I?

 Oh, and I too love that picture with Adam's legs sticking out the sun roof. Mark (FastLane) was giving me shit with that picture earlier today. I love it! :P

<edits for spelling. I'm a illiterate moron sometimes...>
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on February 06, 2004, 04:06:12 PM
Quote from: "Chas"
And by me calling JR a post whore I did that tongue in cheek. :P



Me too Chas (tongue in cheek!)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on February 06, 2004, 10:16:22 PM
Quote from: "Chas"
And by me calling JR a post whore I did that tongue in cheek. Knowing all yoo well that I am a post whore as well. Not to the same standard as Jon, but I can dream can't I?



Did someone say my name?  :D  Look at the counts lately...Winston is the master, and Jay is catching up...soon others will pass me, I hardly have anything else to say anymore, hehe.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on February 06, 2004, 10:25:28 PM
Hey...getting double posts...and now I can't delete.  I also lost the title of Moderator...not that I moderate anything, I do nothing in moderation, hehe.  But why can't delete my own posts.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 09, 2004, 09:33:24 AM
I never was able to delete my own posts...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on February 09, 2004, 09:36:24 AM
ah...guess that was an old feature of moderating stuff...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 09, 2004, 11:12:03 AM
POST WHORES!!!!!!!!

back to our regularly scheduled topic... What was it again????
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 09, 2004, 12:01:56 PM
Whoring, I think...sorry, I'll stay out of the gutter :sly:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Corlesdi on February 10, 2004, 04:33:23 PM
Hopefully, this GTG is still an option for those who just want to see how it's done.  If so, I still plan on coming.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 10, 2004, 05:10:08 PM
Definitley, I know there will be some little side projects goin on in the street and a lot of chit chat and learning.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 10, 2004, 05:29:14 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
Definitley, I know there will be some little side projects goin on in the street and a lot of chit chat and learning.


I think that's pretty much what I'll be there for.

Are there any weekend-warrior mods that are "cheap" that can be done that I should get materials for?  Already did the debadging and the Alian Mod install.  What else?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 10, 2004, 08:45:18 PM
Boost gauge is a probably a two-hour thing for a first-timer.  Maybe clear corners?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 10, 2004, 08:49:31 PM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
Boost gauge is a probably a two-hour thing for a first-timer.  Maybe clear corners?


Key word for me right now though is "cheap" mods.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 10, 2004, 08:52:48 PM
You could do a boost gauge for $40 installed.  Aside from that, I'm not sure what you could do that's cheaper.  Maybe recode windows/door locks with the VAG-COM for one-touch up and down or lock/unlock?  Totally depends how you want your stuff to work.
Or, you could do everyone's all-time favorite- the "Get everyone a sandwich from Taste of Philly" mod. =D
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 11, 2004, 06:46:48 AM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
You could do a boost gauge for $40 installed.  Aside from that, I'm not sure what you could do that's cheaper.  Maybe recode windows/door locks with the VAG-COM for one-touch up and down or lock/unlock?  Totally depends how you want your stuff to work.
Or, you could do everyone's all-time favorite- the "Get everyone a sandwich from Taste of Philly" mod. =D


There is something I need to have someone look at.  Ever since I did the Alian Remote Window mod when I pull my driver side window button all the way up it sticks.  Shoul;d be simple to fix but someone might have a better solution than I might have.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 11, 2004, 01:33:37 PM
You could do a new DV...ummm...COAM...new hoses, tint your tails, wash cars...hehehe
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 11, 2004, 02:56:17 PM
Hey Spencer,

Here a re a few options for cheap mods:

1. Audi 710N Diverter valve (aka bypass valve) $30
2. B5.5's don't have clear corners, but we could tint your tails and/or bumper reflectors.
3. Rear Foglight mod.  This is just the price of some wires and a bulb.
4. Pat's headliner mod
5. A Taste of Philly mod

Also, for those that don't know where I live, here is my address:

Winston Price
7389 S. Eudora Ct.
Centennial, CO 80122
720-488-0004

Be sure and bring something to drink and some cash for A Taste of Philly for lunch and bring any tools you have that you may need.  See ya soon!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 11, 2004, 03:55:51 PM
BTW, if anyone wants a used but well-working 710N I'll have one with me to give you.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 11, 2004, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
BTW, if anyone wants a used but well-working 710N I'll have one with me to give you.


Hm, I could probably use one.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 11, 2004, 10:07:25 PM
Well, this should turn out to be one big GTG/garage day event!  8O COOL! 8)

I got my stuff from ECStuning yesterday. I had completely forgot that it was coming and couldn't for the life of me understand why the UPS guy stopped in front of my house.  :roll:  :? Man, is that a box full of horrors! That means I am actually going to be tearing up the front of my car and the engine on the 21st!   8O  8O  8O  I always get a bit nervous before doing something like this. Oh well, it has to be done.

Anyhow, who is actually going to be doing this TB install that day? For those that haven't ever taken a front bumper off of a B5, I can tell you how to do it. I have it down pretty good and can have mine off in about 10 minutes. Less if I'm not mindful of where I put stuff.  :roll:  :?  :P

Also, who has done the underdrive pully for their car? I was thinking about doing this, but have a few reservations. Alan, haven't you done this one?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 12, 2004, 07:41:21 AM
Chas, I think Alan did do the Underdrive Pulley.  His car sure is peppy.  Maybe that was why...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 12, 2004, 08:46:42 AM
Here's the unofficial list of TB Changes (that I can gather from the postings):

DenverPat
MadMark
Chas
TLJR20V
The A4 Hawkster
ColoradoB5dubmanI'mgonnabeadaddyWinston
Bedhes
Hans?
Boris?

Those who will probably just be there for kicks/help or other Mods:

SpencerJW
Fastlane
StarlightDave
AlanI'vedoneeverymodmyselfVelo
Gietl
RobD
Kraut-Sled
Wyaka
W8sport6spd
kt037
nickcc60?


Those who want to come but aren't:
 
03Indigo :P
PazzatCO
Rusty (port-matched exhaust manifold install in Alb.) :onfire:

Those who don't have any desire to come at all:

Our Wives :lol:  :P
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 12, 2004, 10:08:53 AM
Just got my ultimate TB kit from ECS yesterday, too.  Also got the EFK from SPP yesterday.  It sounds like Jason Worff (buddy from work) is going to show up Saturday, too.  Van is considering coming to represent the B6 Audi contingent.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 12, 2004, 10:09:05 AM
Chas, I ordered an underdrive pulley too so I will be installing that along with the TB. I hope to get help from Alan, sine he's done his. :)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 12, 2004, 11:37:07 AM
Mod crazy day...I'm still waiting for my Beru plugs from Greedspeed...other than that, I'll have my TB Kit, TT DV, and Plugs to change out. I've also started on my custom engine cover paint job...it's got some more work to go though...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 12, 2004, 11:58:24 AM
From what Alan was telling me last night, you may want to wait until either during or after the TB to do the plugs.  I'm doing my plugs that weekend, too so I can help you if you like.  Just don't do them before that weekend.  We'll talk....
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 12, 2004, 12:49:37 PM
I just talked to Boris, who will be there, but may or may not be doing his TB.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 12, 2004, 01:29:18 PM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
From what Alan was telling me last night, you may want to wait until either during or after the TB to do the plugs.  I'm doing my plugs that weekend, too so I can help you if you like.  Just don't do them before that weekend.  We'll talk....


Pat, I'm was planning on changing them during, probably after I get the TB and DV installed. We can change them together...it'll be a bonding experience :lol:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: velo on February 12, 2004, 01:48:28 PM
I'm planning on being there to provide my Obi-wan-like wisdom and quidance to all my young apprentices.  If you haven't already, start reading up on how to do this job.  DaddyMatt's write-up is excellent: http://www.clubb5.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=60301.  The underdrive pulley is a piece of cake, just unbolt the stock one and put the new one in it's place.  As for spark plugs, the Haynes manual and Daddymatt both recommend removing the plugs so the engine can be hand-turned easier.  I found no difference in turning the engine with the plugs in or out.  Of course, YMMV.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: HawkmanA4 on February 12, 2004, 02:48:03 PM
I have spark plugs also!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We can all bond after bonding!! I am sooo excited but nervous as well. The kit looks scary  :o  I just hope the weather is nice! Cold Shaky Hands :cry:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 12, 2004, 03:26:42 PM
I'll be there to point out everything you guys are doing wrong even though I don't know the first thing about changing a TB.  I think my DV is shot so I may swap it out then if I can wait.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 12, 2004, 05:42:30 PM
Quote from: "HawkmanA4"
I am sooo excited but nervous as well. The kit looks scary  :o  I just hope the weather is nice! Cold Shaky Hands :cry:


Uhh...ditto :cry:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on February 12, 2004, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Here's the unofficial list of TB Changes (that I can gather from the postings):

DenverPat
MadMark
Chas
TLJR20V
The A4 Hawkster
ColoradoB5dubmanI'mgonnabeadaddyWinston
Bedhes
Hans?
Boris?

Those who will just be there for kicks/help or other Mods:

SpencerJW
Fastlane
StarlightDave
AlanI'vedoneevermodmyselfVelo

Those who want to come but aren't:
 
03Indigo :P
PazzatCO

Those who don't have any desire to come at all:

Our Wives :lol:  :P [/b]


J - I do plan on being there too.  Already got clearance from the warden!

TT DV and Possibly spark plugs, Beers and help!

See ya there
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 12, 2004, 07:14:09 PM
Noted :thumbsup:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kraut-sled on February 12, 2004, 08:40:53 PM
I am in too, the timing on my car is great, but with women....well not so great :oops:

I am willing to lend a hand with others projects and just hang.  Rob, I would be happy to help with the TT DV, as I will have to do this at some time in the future, and knowing WTF I am dooing will be helpfull.

I can only hand for 2-3 hours, but I am in. :wink:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 12, 2004, 09:02:32 PM
The DV is like a 2 minute job, getting the belly pan off and on takes about 20 ;).
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Rusty on February 13, 2004, 11:57:17 AM
Well, I won't be there, but in honor of your hard work I will be installing a port-matched exhaust manifold on my pretty green rocket. Yahoooo!  Y'all have fun, good luck! :onfire:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 13, 2004, 12:57:52 PM
Dang Rusty, if you keep working like that on your car, you'll be traveling backn in time!  When do you get the flux capacitor?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 14, 2004, 05:08:39 PM
(http://www.rmcb5.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/onfire.gif) Holy Crap Rusty Man! Holy CRAP!!! (http://www.rmcb5.com/modules/Forums/images/smiles/onfire.gif)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Corlesdi on February 16, 2004, 04:05:58 PM
I'm planning on being there to learn about doing scary things that require opening the front end.   Also, since my car is shamefully stock, I'm going to be asking and looking at suspension setups.   At 80K, I figure it's time to show a little more love.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 16, 2004, 04:08:53 PM
Sweet! We look forward to meeting you.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: velo on February 16, 2004, 06:49:04 PM
Hey Guys, I noticed that the images are hardly ever working in DaddyMatt's timing belt replacement write-up on clubb5.com: http://www.clubb5.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=60301.  If you want a copy of his images, I can email them to you.  He emailed them to me directly before I changed my timing belt.  I don't want to send them over the email list and overload that server.  So just email me and I'll send them to whoever wants them.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 16, 2004, 08:01:38 PM
Sign me up for those images!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 16, 2004, 08:46:50 PM
I'm so there!!! Send me those images...I'll PM you...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 16, 2004, 08:48:49 PM
Quote from: "RobD"
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Here's the unofficial list of TB Changes (that I can gather from the postings):

DenverPat
MadMark
Chas
TLJR20V
The A4 Hawkster
ColoradoB5dubmanI'mgonnabeadaddyWinston
Bedhes
Hans?
Boris?

Those who will just be there for kicks/help or other Mods:

SpencerJW
Fastlane
StarlightDave
AlanI'vedoneevermodmyselfVelo
Corlesdi

Those who want to come but aren't:
 
03Indigo :P
PazzatCO

Those who don't have any desire to come at all:

Our Wives :lol:  :P [/b]


J - I do plan on being there too.  Already got clearance from the warden!

TT DV and Possibly spark plugs, Beers and help!

See ya there
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on February 16, 2004, 09:27:31 PM
timing belt replacement is VERY straightforward and simpl but can be tedious, i have the printout and a bently if i can get 1. my car on the road in time 2. get off work, then i'll come up add me a a possible.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 03Indigo on February 17, 2004, 02:35:16 PM
If you all want my Bently, you can have it, community property.  It is useless to me at this point and it may be helpful to have an extra resourse available, but it sounds like you all have it pretty well worked out.  The chaos will be in my thoughts, I will be sending you TB goodness vibes while working/sleeping.  someone either PM me or email me if  you want the manual, we can arrage for a pick-up/drop off sometime before Thursday night.

cheers and good luck to you all
jon 8)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 17, 2004, 10:13:06 PM
I say Winston should be the keeper of the Holy Book!  :P

I also have a Haynse manual I'll be bringing, as well as a book on how to dry wall your new basement. Just a little light reading while I take a break from the TB. :?  :roll:  :D

I too will be installing a light wieght crank pulley on my car this weekend. I didn't go with the ECS UDP because I really didn't want the issues with the altinator or power steering pump (if there really are any. Besides, I just got all those fance new belts from ECS and couldn't let them go to waste. :roll: So I bought the AutoSpeed Performance light wieght pulley. It's a bit more expencive than the ECS UDP, but it's what I wanted.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on February 17, 2004, 10:20:10 PM
I may blaze by for the shock factor... 8O  :twisted:

addin s/c with full nos to a mk4 2.0 same w/e just a bit more complicated :wink:

race ya for pinks :D
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Wyaka on February 17, 2004, 10:31:16 PM
Count me in to drop by on my lunch hour or two. Maybe help out or watch in amazement  8O .
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Chas on February 17, 2004, 10:36:19 PM
Quote from: "W8sport6spd"
I may blaze by for the shock factor... 8O  :twisted:

addin s/c with full nos to a mk4 2.0 same w/e just a bit more complicated :wink:

race ya for pinks :D


Hey Lance, if you do come by, bring that W8 sled of your's. I still want to see it's underside. If you know what I mean... and I think you do...  :cool:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 18, 2004, 06:47:22 AM
Weather's not looking too inviting...news said it was supposed to snow or something like that... :?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 18, 2004, 10:19:14 AM
Quote from: "Chas"
I bought the AutoSpeed Performance light wieght pulley. It's a bit more expencive than the ECS UDP, but it's what I wanted.


Cool Chas! I'd like to compare it to the ECS UPD I picked up. We can size 'em up right out of the box!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: DenverPat on February 18, 2004, 11:00:45 AM
***Doing anti-snow dance***
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 18, 2004, 11:26:33 AM
Quote from: "madigan"
Quote from: "Chas"
I bought the AutoSpeed Performance light wieght pulley. It's a bit more expencive than the ECS UDP, but it's what I wanted.


Cool Chas! I'd like to compare it to the ECS UPD I picked up. We can size 'em up right out of the box!


I don't think they'll be at all the same...the UDP is completely different than the UPD...what is a UPD? :P  :stupid:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 18, 2004, 11:27:37 AM
Quote from: "Denver Pat"
***Doing anti-snow dance***


***Joining you in the anti-snow dance***
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 18, 2004, 12:59:47 PM
JR, you don't know what a UDP is? :?

Let me tell you a little story... So, I went to the dealer to buy some blinker fluid...

oh, we'll save that for another day.

Abbreviated UDP, a connectionless protocol that, like TCP, runs on top of IP networks. Unlike TCP/IP, UDP/IP provides very few error recovery services. DNS is an example of an application-layer protocol that uses UDP. When the DNS application (see section 2.5)  in a host wants to make a query, it constructs a DNS query message and passes the message to a UDP socket (see Section 2.7).UDP is used to carry (SNMP - see Chapter 8 )  data.  UDP is preferred to TCP in this case. :)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 18, 2004, 01:24:50 PM
LOL...I thought UDP was that local station with all the crappy shows?


On topic....I am going to take a peek at my brakes on Saturday, they sound like they need to be replaced and I just want to see how much time I got left ;).
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 18, 2004, 01:48:23 PM
Right you are Mark, and sometimes it goes according to RFC738 standard and can be used in conjunction with the alternative meaning of UDP, which translated from the original german saying, Up die Pooper, meaning you really f'ed up on that one.

So, the moral of this story is to always never forget to check your sources.

Anyway, sorry for being so silly, I just had to!

Lance, bring that big badboy down so we can check it out.

I made five (5) copies of the instructions after converting them to Word and adding the pics manually, so we should have enough to go around.

I have a rain dance that works, but I don't have an anti-snow dance (my native american heritage is apparently from warmer climes...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 18, 2004, 02:00:53 PM
Working on a weather mod for the site, everything I am seeing show it to be about 50 on Saturday.  I will ring down my 10' x 10' canopy as well.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Worff on February 18, 2004, 02:35:03 PM
this is Worff, Pats friend, I will be coming down there and I will be bringing my Motive brake bleeder if anyone wants to use it.  all it takes is about 1 1/2 qts of fluid to do do a complete flush.  see ya on saturday.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 18, 2004, 02:59:42 PM
Worff, where do you usually take the brake fluid to have it disposed of?  I may take you up on the offer to use the bleeder.  I need to have mine done and the dealer wants $120 for it.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on February 18, 2004, 04:31:03 PM
well, unfortunatly i will not be able to meet y'all this sat, i tried to get out of work but failed miserably! so y'all will be having fun and i'll be at the C/S airport in a shirt and tie so have fun and good luck!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Worff on February 18, 2004, 05:03:24 PM
gietl, up in westminster where i live they allow you to throw away " small amount of brake fluid in the trash."  this is from the cities website.  larger quanties can be picked up by the cities household hazardous waste disposal.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 18, 2004, 05:31:30 PM
Boy, you guys totally missed the UPD/UDP thing... :rolleyes:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 18, 2004, 05:49:46 PM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
Boy, you guys totally missed the UPD/UDP thing... :rolleyes:


To many acronyms for ya... ;) hehe

UDP = Under Drive Pulley  :)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 19, 2004, 05:26:40 AM
I know that but you posted UPD...I tried a joke there, but I don't think anyone got it...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 19, 2004, 05:29:54 AM
Here's the official list of TB Changes):

DenverPat
MadMark
Chas
TLJR20V
The A4 Hawkster
ColoradoB5dubmanI'mgonnabeadaddyWinston
Bedhes
Hans?
Boris?

Those who will probably just be there for kicks/help or other Mods:

SpencerJW
Fastlane
StarlightDave
AlanI'vedoneeverymodmyselfVelo
Gietl
RobD
Kraut-Sled
Wyaka
W8sport6spd
Worff
nickcc60?


Those who want to come but aren't:

03Indigo  
PazzatCO
Rusty (port-matched exhaust manifold install in Alb.)  
[/b]
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 19, 2004, 07:24:12 AM
JR, I got it, but Mark was cracking the jokes, so I thought I would join in the fun.  

I got my TB kit last night from brown and am ready to go.

Worff!  I can't wait to meet you.  After hear Pat talk about you for a long time it will be great to meet you.  Also I want to see that brake bleeder in action so I can do mine this summer.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 19, 2004, 11:30:26 PM
FYI, we will be broadcasting this day live on the internet.  I will post the URL on Friday.  I created a Yahoo Messenger ID of xRMCB5x for chatting.

This will be friggin sweet.  I think Winston is picking up a webcam as well and the software I grabbed should be able to toggle beteen the cameras at set intervals or at will.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: RobD on February 20, 2004, 06:39:17 AM
Heading out to Beavercreek for 11" of new snow today.  I'll see you all tomorrow moring!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kraut-sled on February 20, 2004, 08:16:19 AM
No one really likes you Rob!  Comming here bragging about the new snow and going skiing while the rest of us are working.  I hope you have a great day and are not too tired to be there Saturday.

Jealousy (mine that is) is a terrable thing
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 20, 2004, 08:33:10 AM
Yes, this will be televised by one, maybe two webcams...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 20, 2004, 09:28:33 AM
Quote from: "ColoradoB5"
Yes, this will be televised by one, maybe two webcams...


Wow! This is going to be awsome! I can bring my laptop for any additional support or just to check how the feed is streaming or whatever...You have wireless access in your garage Winston, right?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 20, 2004, 11:48:43 AM
We need to market this event...send a link to everyone! Advertisers, sponsers, clubs, friends, family :!:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: madigan on February 20, 2004, 12:04:10 PM
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
We need to market this event...send a link to everyone! Advertisers, sponsers, clubs, friends, family :!:


Maybe we could advertise on AM radio...hint...hint... :lol:
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 20, 2004, 01:37:56 PM
Quote from: "madigan"
Quote from: "TLJR20v"
We need to market this event...send a link to everyone! Advertisers, sponsers, clubs, friends, family :!:


Maybe we could advertise on AM radio...hint...hint... :lol:


Oh my god you guys are getting a bit out of hand here.

So should I bring my laptop (Running Linux though) and my Digital Video Camera?  Gets MUCH better dig video than a web cam. ;)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 20, 2004, 01:56:50 PM
Quote from: "spencerjw"
So should I bring my laptop (Running Linux though) and my Digital Video Camera?  Gets MUCH better dig video than a web cam. ;)


Actually, this just made me think of something.  Are these any of these mods or installs that we're doing that we should look at documenting?  Either by video or photo?  I've got both digitals (as I am sure others do too) but if tehre was someone around to snap pics of stages and phases of an install or mod for future HOW-TOs I think it'd be extremly handy.

I will also volunteer myself for this job.  However, I do want to get my hands dirty some too.  especially since I just got my Mechanix Gloves (http://www.mechanix.com/detail.asp?product_id=MMP).

Spencer
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: Corlesdi on February 20, 2004, 02:21:22 PM
Uhhh, am I the only one that doesn't know how to get there?  Or, did I miss the post with directions?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 20, 2004, 02:51:09 PM
I know an address was posted somewhere earlier, but with 7 pages of posts a STICKY with a MapQuest overview would be nice or just give us the address.  How about editing the first post of this thread and put it in there?  As well as times to be there?
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 20, 2004, 03:07:57 PM
The address is on Page 5.

As for cameras, there are detailed pictures and Winston has printend out multiple copies of the documention with pictures for the TB folks to use.  I too plan on bringing my digital camera to tak emore pictures as needed and to take pictures of the days happenings.

We chose the webcam path because W doesn't have firewire ports for my DV and I'm not bringing my PC over.  Not to mention the webcams are cheap and if something were to happen there'd be no hurt feelings.  Along with that the quality is too good form a DV and there will only be about 30fps of capture so it;s kinda not work risking good camera.  It's really just for fun as opposed to detail.  We tend to get a lot of crap for our GTGs that we don't really do anything or that we are crazy.  Just trying to show that we really do get together and do real shit to our cars. Anyone bringing any PB, I got some wax on my lowers.

Of course the real trick is for each car to be running and driveable by the end of the day.
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: spencerjw on February 20, 2004, 03:16:34 PM
In case anyone wants a map - MAPQUEST MAP (http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&mqmap.x=226&mqmap.y=121&mapdata=slIDb%252fBv9J%252fo4PFgd0tSjP3pnnLFvI7Qeag68x9J5wg%252fYKJPMPQaX7cQCYyZ2MYIEVZD1FzGuuqU5hdCvncpcf1n7RCwD5dM3WIi4M7RMPl3K4jlLGyj7HirEXSHC8W53wZcHvVlalNH5zyih6aqJsnOsvpcewnO3u3zzffY77cwvtDPd633F2nVi1Ua6azvrewXgxikP%252bo8tRKGTSHwO1%252fgjXEb2wxA31EUBXCQQ%252bmpvzH9CdkV9kjUokA1O6DjDMbIKUXiZjhiYyToYFjsaV4g%252bW4bmNEsAKsTtPxM4n6JfZy3FHedRN4cvSIdc1wavJRSkGheVT8%253d)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on February 20, 2004, 09:29:54 PM
ok I'm out...

sorry but I need to work on the bestvwrally team cars this w/e and that is just silly far from me..(how could you not come to the Euro GTG's on the southside? They were two blocks away from that location all summer..)
If you guys blow them off this year....I must smell like chicken wings and your missing out....the first one was 65 cars on the southside..

May everything go right and be easy for ya'll 8)
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: kt037 on February 22, 2004, 12:27:35 PM
well, how'd it go? pics...
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: jayryan on February 22, 2004, 12:39:04 PM
Quote from: "kt037"
well, how'd it go? pics...


See TB is Done!!!
Still waiting for the pics
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 22, 2004, 04:10:58 PM
Quote from: "gietl"
Anyone bringing any PB, I got some wax on my lowers.


LOL


Well, it is done.  Lots of work, and we learn a few things.  Like Chas learned that all pulleys are not the same and I learned that the thermostat o-ring goes under the thermostat and not above it...

Hey Lance, Pat, Wendy and I came to the southside Euro meet in May, remember?

In the summer though, I do get crazy busy though, so don't take it personally if I can't make it to all of em, though I will try even harder this year.

With camping biking and yardwork, unfortunately my car can sometimes take a backseat (pun intended) in the summer.

Pics coming this evening!
Title: Timing belt GTG
Post by: on February 23, 2004, 07:43:52 AM
Quote from: "ColoradoB5"

Hey Lance, Pat, Wendy and I came to the southside Euro meet in May, remember?
In the summer though, I do get crazy busy though, so don't take it personally if I can't make it to all of em, though I will try even harder this year.


No worries, I do remember :P .. We got your guys out to a few, just hoping for more 8)   We have the new scehdual but ive not build the season calender yet.  

rodger, over under done.  what a great Sunday weather you got!

looking forward to the story too :)

we had 8guys plowing through the jobs here (unreal for a sunday) they worked me into the ground and was outcold by nine. haha