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Title: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: SweetVW on May 27, 2007, 08:55:58 AM
I have been thinking about upgrading the exhaust on the GTI 337.  I really am not looking to alter the sound, just open the flow up a bit.  I have been looking around, but I would like to have any input from folks who have more experience with either looking or installing exhausts.

I understand the any alteration to the exhaust would alter the sound.  I guess I just do not want to make an annoying buzzing or droning sounds just a nice burble at idle and a complementing rumble at throttle.

Thanks for any input.


Now the pics:
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Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: A4play on May 27, 2007, 09:20:48 AM
I've had some great luck with Borla on my A4 and my buddies Legacy, it sounds real nice, but not loud, and its not annoying inside the car.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on May 27, 2007, 03:01:13 PM
Milltek, that is all :)  Pat is running Milltek on his 1.8T audi, sounds great.  I also have a Milltek on the MINI, totally different of course, but also sounts great.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Spicoli on May 27, 2007, 05:08:03 PM
I think APR has one of the best sounds for the 1.8T.  But if I was going to get an exhaust for a 1.8T, I would go Milltek and no one else.  It looks absolutely amazing, and the single round tip looks absolutely amazing on the 337/20th body kit.

go Milltek, trust me it is well worth the money.  Sound is really good too.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: RobD on May 28, 2007, 05:40:01 AM
Dave - I've been looking for an exhaust for my wifes bug convertible too.  I've been looking for a deal on Milltek but nothing especially for the bug.  I've seen some deals on VWVortex but they seem to go quickly.  Milltek raised their prices early this year too.  Was $499.00 for a cat-back now $649.00.   My guess is due in large part to the dramatic increases in stainless steel prices (driven up by huge increases in nickel - the main componet for type 304 stainless).

You say you want to free up the flow of your exhaust.  From what I understand the downpipe is the main restriction even on the 337.  Wouldn't upgrading to a higher flow dp with free flow cat be the best bang for your buck?  Obviously doing a turbo back system would give the best performance but it can add up. 

I saw APR had their BBQ sale about a month ago and ordered a turbo back system from SCR Performance.  The TB system was 10% off and already a good chunck less expensive than milltek.  It should hopefully be in next week and will have Mark put it in.  I'll let you know what i think once it's in.

Rob 
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Eric18T on May 28, 2007, 05:55:39 AM
I have the milltek on my 1.8T and it sounds great. I would highly recommend it. I have also had a Autotech on my 1.8T Jetta. It sounded good but had a little drone at 3500rpms. I would do the Milltek on my next car without even looking at other options.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: jayryan on May 29, 2007, 06:41:50 AM
Thermal R&D ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: gragravar on May 29, 2007, 07:02:40 AM
I personally like the sound of a remus exhaust on the 1.8T  sosunds great.

the other one I like is whatever Andrew (34k) put on his car.  wow, that thing sounds downright mean on there.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: ianacole on May 29, 2007, 07:04:17 AM
I'm pretty fond of my 42DD 3" system which uses a Flowmaster muffler.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: SweetVW on May 29, 2007, 07:36:11 AM
Thanks for all of the feedback guys, I really appreciate it.

Looking at the Milltek sight and they have what is called a turbo back and a cat back exhaust.  What is the difference?  Also, I have read that unless you have a BT setup, 3" would not be needed.  That the 2.5" system would work fine.  For as much as I would love to go BT the cost is more than I can do right now.  Would I get that much more out of a 3" system or would I just be throwing money away?
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: gragravar on May 29, 2007, 07:43:15 AM
turbo back includes a high performance cat and downpipes, cat back is only the muffler and pipe and keeps the stock downpipes.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on May 29, 2007, 07:46:09 AM
some turbo back exhausts have 02 sensor issues, and require a bung or fitting to move the 02 sensor out a bit...not sure if the turbo-back milltek requires that, but call Stratmosphere, they have the low down on all milltek systems.

www.stratmosphere.com
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: SweetVW on May 29, 2007, 08:37:35 AM
They are my leading source so far.  I can take a good guess about this, but what is the difference between resonated and non-resonated?  I asume it has something to control the overall sound.

Oh, and for laughs, I listened to the Miltek R32 sound clip.  All I can say is, "Can I have a towel?  I think I messed my shorts!"
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Denvernoob on May 29, 2007, 09:40:48 AM
Thermal R&D ;D

i cant speak for the 337, but the thermals i have seen have unmatched build quality (even as compared to APR and others), nice polished SS throughout, and not droney (at least mine isnt).  i love mine to death and wouldnt trade it for the world.  it exists for the 337 with a HFC, im sure it can be built without one if you so choose.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: DenverPat on May 29, 2007, 01:31:52 PM
Dave, I can only speak for B5 A4s.  The quietest I've ever heard is the mTm, followed VERY closely by the Milltek and APR.  All are of excellent quality.  The mTm is the best IMO, but it's cost is rediculous.  That's why I went Milltek.
Of course, things may be different for the 337.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Eric18T on May 29, 2007, 07:56:04 PM
having listened to mine and denvernoobs on the dyno his is MUCH louder than mine. If you want an aggressive sound the Thermal/AWE is great. If you want mellow and low key then look at the Milltek like Pat and i are running on the 1.8T's. Both are very good quality, but have large sound differences. Personally for me the Thermal system while it sounds great, is just too loud. The APR and the Milltek are much quieter. But also keep in mind the APR on the 337 is louder than the Milltek on the 337. The APR falls in between the Milltek and the Thermal.

I have a testpipe right now and while the power gains were very good, i will be welding in a HFC here shortly. I think my granola side is starting to come back out. It's time to pull out my birkenstocks and wool socks again. ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: jayryan on May 29, 2007, 08:32:24 PM
It's time to pull out my birkenstocks and wool socks again. ;D

I still wear mine
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: SweetVW on May 30, 2007, 05:02:13 AM
This is some great information!  I am leaning towards the Milltek.  Thanks again guys for all of the wonderful feedback.

Though I do not currently own a pair of Birkenstocks, my 6 year old daughter does and loves them.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on May 30, 2007, 05:15:19 AM
I have a pair of birkenstocks that I have had since 1988 :)
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: jayryan on May 30, 2007, 06:37:04 AM
I have a pair of birkenstocks that I have had since 1988 :)

Dang! Mine only date back to 2001 ;D My last set was circa 1995.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Spicoli on May 30, 2007, 11:44:43 AM
I'm proud to say I have never owned a pair of birkenstocks
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Eric18T on May 30, 2007, 05:23:48 PM
my birks are circa 1993. I was still in HS then. I wore then last weekend and they were amazingly comfortable.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: jayryan on May 30, 2007, 05:48:37 PM
my birks are circa 1993. I was still in HS then. I wore then last weekend and they were amazingly comfortable.

Hmmm...I was a fresh/soph in 1993. Birks rule. I've worn through the soles of both sets ;D Still the most comfy sandal EVER.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on May 30, 2007, 05:49:48 PM
1993...STILL in HS?  Sheesh.  I think I had finished my first degree by then and was working on the second.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on May 30, 2007, 05:50:39 PM
I'm proud to say I have never owned a pair of birkenstocks

I have 2 pairs...both from the late 80's...one I hardly ever wore, still look new.  The others are pretty much trashed, but can't seem to get rid of them.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: jayryan on May 30, 2007, 06:42:06 PM
I have 2 pairs...both from the late 80's...one I hardly ever wore, still look new.  The others are pretty much trashed, but can't seem to get rid of them.

Have you done the "Just replace the soles" thing and kept the uppers? I was considering doing that with my old pair. I wore them so much over four years, the sole was gone.

...and you're still sportin' the 80's beard. Well, so am I but I was an 80's kid so for me it's cool ;D
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: SweetVW on May 31, 2007, 08:01:41 AM
Alright, I did done it.  I ordered from Stratmosphere a Milltek 2.5" resonated cat back exhaust and a Milltek 2.5" downpipe/cat.  It should be here some time next week.  "Paging Randy!"
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Spicoli on May 31, 2007, 06:52:51 PM
good choice.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on May 31, 2007, 08:28:52 PM
Alright, I did done it.  I ordered from Stratmosphere a Milltek 2.5" resonated cat back exhaust and a Milltek 2.5" downpipe/cat.  It should be here some time next week.  "Paging Randy!"
well done Dave, well done!!!!

Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 92UrS4 on May 31, 2007, 08:33:34 PM
Awesome Dave!
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: jayryan on May 31, 2007, 10:00:48 PM
Awesome Dave!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 34k on June 01, 2007, 08:58:28 AM
the other one I like is whatever Andrew (34k) put on his car.  wow, that thing sounds downright mean on there.
Thanks Andrew. It's a GHL. :D

Well done Dave. The Milltek would be my top choice based on your criteria. Like Jack said, their rounded tips will look the biz on your 337.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: SweetVW on June 06, 2007, 01:16:17 PM
Wahoo!  Brown just delivered the exhaust.  Now I get to look at pretty boxes until Randy can get me in to install it.  Problably on the week of the 18th.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: 03Indigo on June 06, 2007, 01:33:47 PM
PICS!!!!!
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Spicoli on June 06, 2007, 07:26:23 PM
Before you install... take the muffler piece and shake it and listen.  Miltek had an issue a couple years ago where pieces of weld were being left in the muffler... just make sure you don't hear something rattling in there before you get it all installed, etc. It is pretty obvious if you have that issue BTW... so if you are questioning a slight rattle, that is not it.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Gutz on June 07, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
I have the milltek catback on an 2.8l a4 b5 and i love it.
 A buddy of mine has milltek on a stage 3 20th and it sounds and looks super good and clean.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust.
Post by: Gallep on June 13, 2007, 03:25:27 PM
After many weeks of researching and asking around and riding around in cars w/ different setups I decided to go Milltek as well for my B6 1.8, I just haven't found the funds to fill check that box yet.  Iíve got the testpipe in, just waiting for the Milltek
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: SweetVW on June 18, 2007, 06:09:06 PM
Thanks to Randy and Todd the exhaust has been installed.  It sounds great and looks great.  I have added pics to the opening thread comment.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: Spicoli on June 18, 2007, 07:36:27 PM
Looks great.... Do yourself a favor and take some hose clamps and put them on the 2 rear most muffler/tip hangers to stop the tip/muffler from sliding around.  What happens is when it get hot is slides very easy, esp when flying around a corner and then.... the super duper hot tip touches your rear valence and melts part of it... that will never completely come off the muffler (w/o refinishing it at least).
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: Richard-EB on June 19, 2007, 04:43:39 AM
I love the look.  Nice job.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: 03Indigo on June 19, 2007, 05:16:01 AM
Dave, that looks great, and it is a perfect fit.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: jayryan on June 19, 2007, 02:43:18 PM
Looks great!
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: gragravar on June 19, 2007, 02:44:06 PM
I hope mine turns out that well.  nice.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: SweetVW on June 20, 2007, 02:25:12 PM
One thing I have noticed over the couple days is that when the exhaust warms up, the sound changes.  In a good way of course but I have never heard of an exhaust doing that.  I guess it has something to do with heat and possible expanding of the piping.  I do not think I have a leak, but I also do not think I would know what a leaking exhaust would sound like.
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: Richard-EB on June 20, 2007, 02:31:15 PM
did you do the install yourself of have a shop do it?
Title: Re: Thoughts on exhaust. (Now with installed pics!!!)
Post by: SweetVW on June 20, 2007, 03:07:19 PM
Randy and Todd did the install.