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Title: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 10:49:17 AM
So, I've been looking into HID conversion kits.  I know people have recommended vvme.com and I also found visionbulbs.com.  Why is vvme so cheap? Am I missing something here?

http://vvme.com/catalog/list-s-10145-10146.html  *revised* oops, I just noticed that they only have a few bulb types....perhaps that is why!

VS.

http://visionbulbs.com/vb_product.php

Thanks!

Nate
'01 A4 1.8tqm
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 12, 2008, 11:06:44 AM
I am getting ready to order a VVME kit for my S4. So far the reviews of other UrS owners have been good. I guess the biggest complaint is some kits are shipped and the polarity of the plugs are reversed. Nothing earth shattering, but an inconvenience to deal with.

The VVME kit is also $30 to ship, so in the end you are spending ~$75 for the kit.

I cannot say that I have experience with either kit, but I will soon with the VVME. I think, and I may be wrong, but Dave (StarlightB5) may have the VVME kit in his Passat.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 11:32:29 AM
I am getting ready to order a VVME kit for my S4. So far the reviews of other UrS owners have been good. I guess the biggest complaint is some kits are shipped and the polarity of the plugs are reversed. Nothing earth shattering, but an inconvenience to deal with.

The VVME kit is also $30 to ship, so in the end you are spending ~$75 for the kit.

I cannot say that I have experience with either kit, but I will soon with the VVME. I think, and I may be wrong, but Dave (StarlightB5) may have the VVME kit in his Passat.

I guess I can hang with $75, as oppossed to 145.00 + shipping.  The reviews I have read though, basically say you get what you pay for and with the vvme kit being so much cheaper, I tend to wonder :-\  I guess I'll ponder it a bit longer and make a decision soon.  On a side note, I did go back to vvme and they had my H7 bulb as an option this time around-
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 12, 2008, 11:52:50 AM
Oh yeah, and I have to remember that you may have a different bulb setup than I. Meaning, I'm not sure if you need to do the bi-xenon kit or what. If so I know it is a little bit more.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 11:57:27 AM
Oh yeah, and I have to remember that you may have a different bulb setup than I. Meaning, I'm not sure if you need to do the bi-xenon kit or what. If so I know it is a little bit more.

Hmmm...bi-xenon.  I suppose I'm a bit confused as to what a bi-xenon actually is.  I thought it was just using a HID bulb for the low beam and another for the high? Is that right?  I think I only have one projector on each side.....
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 12, 2008, 12:13:54 PM
bi-xenon bulbs are bulbs that work as both the high and the low beam. There are actually two different bulbs in one unit I guess is the way to describe it.

So if you have a separate bulb for high and low, then you would just get the single HID kit. In my case I have separate bulbs, i could get two kits, one for the high and one for the low. Because I would need two sets of ballasts.

Hell I could get three kits and do my fogs as well ;)

If your car just needs a single kit then I would just get one and do the lows obviously. I mean you drive around that much with the highs on.

Also, when it comes to picking which temp you want, I would recommend the 4300K, it provides the most light. I assume that's what you are after. The  higher temps provide more a blue appearance but you lose some visibility. Still, overall it will be an improvement over stock.

If your lenses are all faded and scratched you can also look up the procedures for refinishing the lenses so they look new again.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: SweetVW on February 12, 2008, 12:41:52 PM
My HIDS came from ECS Tuning.  I would imagine that they are similar to what you are ordering.  They are the H7 bulbs nd not the D2S units.  They ballast and bulb are a no name brand, but they have worked for me for over a year now without issue.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 12:44:32 PM
Ahhh, thanks Gietl, that makes sense.  Yea, I think one set will be sufficient...although the fogs do sound tempting! But, I'd hate to have those damn ballasts all over the place. 

In terms of temp,I was actually thinking about the 6000k.  I know you get the purest/brightest light from the 4300k, but I'm a sucker for a slight blueish color. 

I'll have to check my lenses, I don't think they are too scratched and faded, but then again, I haven't ever really checked! 

I've read of flickering and possible interferance with the radio with HID's.  Anyone else had problems with this? 
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 12, 2008, 12:47:21 PM
bi-xenons in a projector beam are a reference to the restrictor plate being able to move out of the way to provide full light dispersion...either that, or 2 different xenon bulbs in each the low and high beam light sockets.  My B5.5 Hellas were bi-xenon, they had a motor that moved the light restrictor plate out of the way when I hit high beams, as well as the high beam reflector light turning on.  They were very bright.  Most cars are NOT bi-xenon, but xenon and halogen.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 12, 2008, 12:48:20 PM
I've read of flickering and possible interferance with the radio with HID's.  Anyone else had problems with this? 

never had that problem, nor have i ever heard of it, and I think I have done more xenon conversions than anyone else here :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 12:51:15 PM
never had that problem, nor have i ever heard of it, and I think I have done more xenon conversions than anyone else here :)

That's good enough for me.  I should say that "said complaints" were made from a less reputable forum, and therefore less knowledgeable members!
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 12, 2008, 12:55:43 PM
if you run into problems or have questions with the actual install, let me know, I have installed about 5 of the vvme kits on peoples cars locally, they are super easy to do.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 01:06:28 PM
if you run into problems or have questions with the actual install, let me know, I have installed about 5 of the vvme kits on peoples cars locally, they are super easy to do.

Thanks, that's very kind of you!  I will certainly need assistance from someone with experience, as I have none....just depends on who the "lucky one" will be ha-ha.  Although, I am certainly willing to show my appreciation in the form of beer, etc.  I hail from the C470 / University area if anyone happens to be local and willing-

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the vvme 6000k HID's by the end of the day-
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: SweetVW on February 12, 2008, 01:07:46 PM
I am amazed that they can sell these so cheap.  I would normaly question the quality, but they say that they are made in Japan and use quality manufacturing.  They have a 14 month warranty, so I would get them if I was buying.

BTW, I am running with the 6000K and I love them.  My wifes Passat has the 4300K and though they are bright, they are not as white looking.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 12, 2008, 01:27:23 PM
Thanks, that's very kind of you!  I will certainly need assistance from someone with experience, as I have none....just depends on who the "lucky one" will be ha-ha.  Although, I am certainly willing to show my appreciation in the form of beer, etc.  I hail from the C470 / University area if anyone happens to be local and willing-

I think I'm going to pull the trigger on the vvme 6000k HID's by the end of the day-

I am in Parker, so not far from you at all.  If you can spare a week day, come on over and I will help you install them.  Takes about an hour to do it right.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 12, 2008, 02:58:58 PM
Thanks Jon, sent you an email
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 12, 2008, 03:05:43 PM
got it :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Eric18T on February 12, 2008, 05:36:48 PM
jay -  ygm.  :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 13, 2008, 09:31:29 AM
I just installed my VVME kit to replace my Phiilips kit that I had on for about 2.5 years.  The VVME kit cost me about $95 with shipping.  They are cheaper because they are from China. 

Hella must also source their ballasts from China because the kit I got had Hella Ballasts.

Overall, I am happy.  Both kits I had were 6000K and since one of my ballasts was going out, I replaced the ballasts and bulbs.  Took me about 30 minutes for both, mainly because I already had everything wired up from the first time and was already familiar with the in's and out's of them.

The kit is high quality, and there are only two small complaints I have.  First the packaging was pretty weak, and the box they came in was a little worse for wear, but the parts were all in good shape inside and everything worked, fortunately.  I don't relish the idea of having to ship them back to China to be replaced, so I'm glad I didn't have to.  The second minor gripe is that they are not quite as bright as the Phillips set I had, but for the difference in price ($95 vs. $250), I will accept a little less brightness (say around 10%).

HTH,
Dub
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 13, 2008, 01:32:23 PM
I've heard products from vvme take awhile to get (they say 10 days on their website), but I suppose that makes a little more sense now, as they are coming from China. 

I'll keep my fingers crossed that UPS doesn't play tackle football with the package.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 13, 2008, 01:33:51 PM
I think the VVME kits are actually from Japan now.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 13, 2008, 02:02:08 PM
I've heard products from vvme take awhile to get (they say 10 days on their website), but I suppose that makes a little more sense now, as they are coming from China. 

I'll keep my fingers crossed that UPS doesn't play tackle football with the package.

Just remember, if the package looks banged up, do NOT open it before contacting UPS.  Run to a UPS store and have them open it, and if the contents are damaged, they will replace it.

But honestly, I have never seen a package from vvme that has been destroyed, so really, don't but too much worry into it.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 13, 2008, 03:15:39 PM
Right on, no worries here....I wouldn't think UPS is in the practice of damaging packages on a regular basis 8)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: ColoradoB5 on February 14, 2008, 08:21:07 AM
I think the VVME kits are actually from Japan now.

Mine was shipped from China.  That was about a month ago now, so if it changed, it has been since then.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 14, 2008, 10:14:47 AM
LOL, yeah I have no idea really, I think the site references both locations. :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 14, 2008, 10:28:03 AM
and I seriously doubt the quality is all that much different, if not exactly the same.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Colorado_Baja on February 14, 2008, 05:18:17 PM
Anyone with a motorcycle want to split a kit? thats just what I need for the KTM!
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on February 14, 2008, 09:50:23 PM
oops....I accidentally hit the wrong buttons...deleted gragravar's post, but he will check on the bulb for his bike, and if they are the same, he said he will split a set with you.

Sorry about that Andrew, just a bit tired, need to turn the computer off and go to sleep ;)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Colorado_Baja on February 15, 2008, 10:24:22 AM
Sweet Ill double check the bulb on teh KTM I know it is H4 just have to make sure witch one.

Greg
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: gragravar on February 15, 2008, 11:25:53 AM
oops....I accidentally hit the wrong buttons...deleted gragravar's post, but he will check on the bulb for his bike, and if they are the same, he said he will split a set with you.

Sorry about that Andrew, just a bit tired, need to turn the computer off and go to sleep ;)

no problem Jon, I can feel the love.   ;)

I just checked and the R11S uses an H7 for the high beam and an H1 for the low beam. so, unfortunately I'll be unable to split an H4 kit.

Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 20, 2008, 02:59:43 PM
So, I placed my order on 2/12 and I still can't locate the package with the tracking number they gave me :P.  ColoradoB5, how long did it take to get yours? Did you have problems tracking the shipment?  Gietl, did you ever end up ordering?
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 21, 2008, 09:34:53 AM
I have not ordered yet. It appears from a post on AW that they do ship UPS, so it either hasn't actually been picked up and shipped by UPS or they sent the wrong tracking number?

From their website:

Quote from: VVME.com
ALL ORDERS ARE DELIVERED IN 2 - 5 BUSINESS DAY EXPRESS WORLDWIDE.

We use EMS,DHL,TNT to deliver the product to you. As EMS is a very good courier which have good connection with the customs. We declare the KIT as a gift or samples with $19.88 for each kits, so you won't need to pay for the TAX or VAT at all.
If the package gets lost we will ship another one immediately.
We process orders during business days only: Monday through Friday.
Please provide your phone number during checkout. Failure to do so may result in shipping delays.
We do not ship to PO Boxes. Physical address is needed.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 21, 2008, 09:47:11 AM
Here are some links to AW, looks like there was some confusion on one guys order, you guys ordered around the same time I think:

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4s6/msgs/213038.phtml

http://forums.audiworld.com/s4s6/msgs/212469.phtml

I'm not sure if you got a confirmation email or anything like that. I guess if you look at that one thread, the first poster says it is coming from UPS so I stand corrected to my post above.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 21, 2008, 11:08:14 AM
Thanks for the links Gietl, even though they only succeeded in depleating my confidence in vvme... :-\... ;)    I hope I haven't been hosed here- 

I DID get a confirmation email promptly after ordering them.  It provided me with a UPS tracking number and informed me that if I wasn't able to track the package right away, then wait 2-4 days and then look.  Well, itís been nine days or so and I'm STILL NOT able to track the UPS number given! >:( 

Apparently, they don't have anyone who can understand English, since their grammar is horrible.  For example:   "If you don't receive the kit after 10 days, please contact us by MSN: hidwholesale@hotmail.com"....AND.... "If you satisfied with our service and product please referral us to your friends." HAAh!!!

I've sent them two emails to two different addresses with my receipt attached....still waiting to hear back from them :'(



Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 21, 2008, 11:37:27 AM
In one of those threads I linked to the guy posts an email address of someone that seems to respond. Might want to give it a shot. I was going to order soon, so i want to be sure everything goes smoothly.

FWIW, the guy having the issue in those threads, I think he bought on eBay, so I guess take that however you want, but sometimes there are payment notification problems via eBay.

Also, they do sell on eBay, but in the end you only save like $1 as it turns out. The kit is cheaper, but the shipping is higher. :D
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 21, 2008, 12:04:16 PM
In one of those threads I linked to the guy posts an email address of someone that seems to respond. Might want to give it a shot.
I think I saw that, I'll have another look and give it a try.

I was going to order soon, so i want to be sure everything goes smoothly.
I'm glad I could serve as your ginney pig!  :) ;D  At least I could finally be of assistance to someone around here!

Also, they do sell on eBay, but in the end you only save like $1 as it turns out. The kit is cheaper, but the shipping is higher. :D
Funny how that all works, huh?  ;)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 21, 2008, 12:09:16 PM
Okay, how do you interpret this?

"Han Fei vvmecom (at) gmail.com"

hanfei@gmail.com ?

Maybe a stupid question, just thought I'd throw it out there....or just wait until I don't get an error reply from my email-
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 21, 2008, 01:31:30 PM
I was thinking is was vvmecom@gmail.com
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 21, 2008, 02:39:14 PM
I was thinking is was vvmecom@gmail.com

Hmmmm....perhaps....I'll give that one a try too.  (I haven't received anything back saying the hanfei@gmail.com didn't work).

Not that it matters- I doubt I'll ever get a reply from any of the umpteen emails I'm going to end up sending. :(
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 22, 2008, 08:40:13 AM

 
Holy smokes!  Ladies and gentlemen, may I have your attention....I actually heard back from the notorious "Han Fei" at vvme (thanks for the suggestion on the email address Gietl; it seemed to do the trick).

Well, looks like the tracking number they gave me WAS the right one, it just never left.  After a mere 11 days, it will be picked up this morning from China.  This is the explanation I received:

"Please wait another 2-3 days.There is some trouble with UPS shipping here these few days.
We'll contact UPS to solve it."

None the less, it's at least in transit! :D
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 92UrS4 on February 22, 2008, 08:43:55 AM
Great to here! For the most parts I have not heard many complaints about these guys. Way more good things than bad things, so I wasn't too worried, only wish it would have been shipped on time. ;)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 22, 2008, 09:09:04 AM
Great to here! For the most parts I have not heard many complaints about these guys. Way more good things than bad things, so I wasn't too worried, only wish it would have been shipped on time. ;)

I hear ya-  We'll just have to see just how well they expedite your order next, eh!?  ;D

Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: gragravar on February 22, 2008, 09:26:20 AM
glad to hear it is on the way.  I was thinking about ordering a kit from them for my new rover.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on February 22, 2008, 09:33:39 AM
glad to hear it is on the way.  I was thinking about ordering a kit from them for my new rover.

Yea, from the reading I've done, vvme seems like they've got a good product, are becoming quite popular, but just have some hit and miss horror stories. 

I'm glad mine are on the way, but I doubt the problem would've been resolved if I hadn't bombarded them with emails-
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kraylon on March 06, 2008, 10:42:56 PM
have you got them yet???
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on March 07, 2008, 09:22:40 AM
have you got them yet???

Yep-pers!  03Indigo installed them for me this week ;D  They look awesome-
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on April 04, 2008, 03:43:24 PM
FYI...I ordered a set of H7's 4300K from VVME on 3/27, and they arrived today, 4/4.  I guess their shipping is variable ;). These will be going into my brother-in-laws car soon.

Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on April 04, 2008, 06:31:55 PM
That's good to hear :)  I still need to adjust mine.  I haven't even replaced the batteries in my flashlight, how lazy is that?
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on April 05, 2008, 07:41:45 AM
LOL....that is wayyyyyy lazy.  Get on it man, get on it.

Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on April 05, 2008, 10:58:40 AM
LOL....that is wayyyyyy lazy.  Get on it man, get on it.



LMAO, I know, I'm pathetic...  To make things worse (regarding the simple notion of purchasing more batteries) my company sells the damn things!  I walk past them nearly everyday, but it never clicked..."hmmm, maybe I should grab some"....Derrrr-

I'll make a sincere attempt to get-er-dun this Sunday.  I wouldn't want your efforts to be done in vain Jon! ;) :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Eric18T on April 07, 2008, 04:01:51 PM
so did you ever get your bulbs? I am thinking about ordering some, but i wanted to see how you guys worked out first.. I think i am going to get a set for the Ducati too.  :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on April 08, 2008, 07:59:58 AM
so did you ever get your bulbs? I am thinking about ordering some, but i wanted to see how you guys worked out first.. I think i am going to get a set for the Ducati too.  :)

If you're referring to me, I sure did....eventually!  03Indigo, as well as everyone else, seems to have had much better luck than I did with their shipping experiences.  But when it was all said and done, I'm very happy with the end result.

Oh yea, and Jon-  I adjusted my lights on Sunday! [woo-hoo!] Although, the range of movement must be very minimal.  You did warn me it would take awhile, so I think I need to reserve a bit more time in the future, and do a more accurate/better job of it-
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on April 08, 2008, 11:45:47 AM
nice, glad you got them more aligned...makes a difference, doesn't it :)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: Kingtut on April 08, 2008, 11:56:03 AM
nice, glad you got them more aligned...makes a difference, doesn't it :)

To be honest, I had a hard time finding a "constant", or a "desired" beam position, from which I could use to adjust off of.  With that being said, the beam pattern does seem to be pointing a bit higher (which is what I desired to have happen).  But then again, I do need to have another crack at it and make sure they are truly positioned correctly. ;)
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: FFRAY16 on May 25, 2008, 09:56:48 PM
I started reading this post awhile ago and since then have purchased two sets for my 2002 Passat wagon. One for the headlights and one for the driving lights. In my experiance I have found it easier and cheaper to purchase them through Ebay :D. They have a link at there website that sends you to there listings on Ebay. I saved about $40.00 ;D.You are buying from the same company and receiving the same product, I cannot tell you why the price is differant but I am not complaining. ???Hopefully this will help someone.I still have to get around to installing them.To me it looks longer than a few hours,but with manual in hand I go bravely forward.
Title: Re: what's the difference?
Post by: 03Indigo on May 26, 2008, 01:29:24 AM
seriously, it should take LESS than an hour, I can install a set in about 30 minutes with experience