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Title: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 10, 2008, 08:45:44 AM: We will be doing the timing belt on redline's (aka fotograf, Mike, kickass photographer, etc) Audi 90 on July 26 starting at about 8am.

If you are interested in helping out or hanging out post up and I will send you my address.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 10, 2008, 12:29:21 PM: wow, wish I could help, sounds like a heck of a project. Have fun, and we better see pics.....
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: redline on July 11, 2008, 12:27:31 PM: Thanks for posting this up Jay. I will be bringing some burgers, brats and soda as well.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: evil_O on July 11, 2008, 02:10:21 PM: I would consider it if it wasn't on a Saturday.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: ColoradoB5 on July 15, 2008, 01:54:30 PM: Nice! Good luck. I still have about 7000 miles left before I need to do mine. If I was a little closer I would. As it is, I think I'll be glad to do this in the fall or early winter.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 15, 2008, 02:04:28 PM: Still feel free to come by Dub, we are just down the road.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: KWilson on July 17, 2008, 08:42:17 AM: I might be able to stop and lend a hand for a little while. I probably should be tearing into the front end of my Emkay 4 that weekend and installing these:

(http://www.mjmautohaus.com/catalog/images/MK4HDSRBWRD.JPG)

It's squeaking so bad that I can hardly stand to drive it.

Are you set for tools and such?
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 17, 2008, 09:48:01 AM: I think we are okay, I have no idea, I probably should take a look at the procedure Mike has printed out so i can make sure. I know he got a cam lock tool, I think. I have an air compressor and some air tools, a basic 100+ piece mechanics set and a diverse vocabulary of obscenities.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 17, 2008, 10:00:57 AM: haha, diverse vocab of obscenities....

How many folks are helping with the job?
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 17, 2008, 10:04:10 AM: so far, me and mike
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 17, 2008, 10:15:46 AM: cool, wish I was not working, I would be there for moral support if nothing else.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: Kingtut on July 17, 2008, 11:01:17 AM: I'll try to make it- if nothing else to lend an extra hand and contribute to the obscenity session of course ;D
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: redline on July 17, 2008, 06:41:56 PM: Quote from: KWilson on July 17, 2008, 08:42:17 AM
Are you set for tools and such?

ya, we should be fine for tools. I will be getting all of the specialty tools we need from Hardey and everything else including a Bentleys I will have. Thanks anyway!

Quote from: Kingtut on July 17, 2008, 11:01:17 AM
I'll try to make it- if nothing else to lend an extra hand and contribute to the obscenity session of course ;D

Thanks!
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 24, 2008, 10:51:16 AM: Bumpity bump bump
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: KWilson on July 25, 2008, 12:02:33 PM: I'm trying to arrange my schedule for tomorrow - too many competing interests. I'll do my best to make it. Still starting around 8:00?
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: redline on July 25, 2008, 12:10:50 PM: yep
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: KWilson on July 25, 2008, 05:31:46 PM: It looks like I'll be able to make it for a couple of hours in the morning.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 25, 2008, 08:02:10 PM: That's great, we look forward to seeing you!
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: kraut-sled on July 26, 2008, 08:30:26 AM: Good luck today Gents. If you run into a snag, please post up and I will get back to you.

Randy
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: redline on July 26, 2008, 02:37:15 PM: Hey Randy, we have a bit of a problem...

The timing belt tensioner bolt is way too tight. We broke 3 sockets trying to get it to turn the darn thing. Where do we go from here?

I you get a chance, please call me or Jay. My number is (720) 982 3101. Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: redline on July 26, 2008, 11:16:57 PM: well, 3 destroyed sockets, 5 trips to ACE, 9 stripped bolts, and 13 hours later Jay and I finally got the bumper on all the way. Unfortunately without changing my timing belt. The genius who did the first timing belt job used lock-tight on most of the bolts including the timing belt tensioner. None of us, (Jay, Keith, or myself) could get the bolt to budge and it's only supposed to be tightened to 33 ft. lbs.

The good news is that somehow my lost power is back and my car didn't stumble on acceleration once on the way home!

Thanks to Jay for letting us use his home, and patiently sticking with it to the end, Nate for the help and conversation, Keith for his awesome help and expertise, and Randy and Todd for coming through to help a fellow enthusiast on short notice and for the advice on your day off.

Stay tuned folks, timing belt day 2.0 will be coming up ;)
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: KWilson on July 27, 2008, 06:42:42 AM: Yeah, it was too bad that the the Incredible Hulk did your last timing belt job. Those bolts were on way too tight. The lock tight didn't help either. ??? Jay has a nice photo of some blown out sockets.

Sorry I wasn't able to stick around and put your car back together. At least we know next time that we don't need to take off the bumper and other stuff.

I had fun taking your car apart. :)
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 27, 2008, 09:37:19 AM: Many many thanks to Keith! His recent engine swap helped us out with being able to quickly disassemble things and work through a few of the tough spots we ran into.

I have a some pictures from yesterday:

Link to Picures (http://www.rmcb5.com/forums/index.php?action=gallery&g2_itemId=76410)

No free rides!
(http://www.rmcb5.com/gallery/d/76415-2/P7260012.JPG)

Someone is going to get hurt
(http://www.rmcb5.com/gallery/d/76421-2/P7260014.JPG)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMZCml2JKbc

Sears here we come
(http://www.rmcb5.com/gallery/d/76430-2/P7260026.JPG)

Awesome
(http://www.rmcb5.com/gallery/d/76433-2/P7260029.JPG)
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: Docwyte on July 27, 2008, 12:59:47 PM: You guys didn't have air tools? Those are the great equalizers...
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 27, 2008, 01:04:13 PM: Yes, we have air tools. No, the radiator does not come out easy, and no the air tools do not fit in between the engine and the motor.

I was really surprised how this model is put together in regard to the radiator.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: Kingtut on July 27, 2008, 02:15:05 PM: Wow, sorry to hear about the bolt issues guys :( At least you'll be that much quicker next time Mike!
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: KWilson on July 27, 2008, 04:14:44 PM: Yeah, I'm not really sure how air tools would have helped us. One of our biggest problems was that a lot of the hex bolts were already kind of stripped. They should have been replaced the last time they were out, not reused and torqued down even tighter. That 8MM hex bolt in Jay's picture was already rounded out to about 9MM when we started.

I am wondering if we can fit an impact wrench between the radiator and the tensioner. Maybe if we take Randy's suggestion of hammering in a triple square, then going at it with an impact?

The radiator did not want to come out without taking out the entire radiator support. We didn't want to deal with stuff like lining up the hood support, so we left it in place. There was plenty of room for hand tools with the fans removed.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: gragravar on July 27, 2008, 04:31:01 PM: wow, that sounds like a good day guys. too bad it didnt ever come apart. glad you guys were able to get mike back on the road though.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 28, 2008, 10:14:37 AM: :(

Hopefully the next time around goes better.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: Eric18T on July 28, 2008, 04:52:06 PM: be careful when you guys reinstall the timing belt tensioner. We had the timing belt done on my wifes car last fall and the timing belt tensioner was over tightened. Unfortunatly the tensioner ended up failing. The motor was toasted, both top & bottom end were damaged. So $5417 later (parts & labor) the new motor should be finished being built this week. It should be back on the road by the weekend.

So in the end please use the proper torque on those bolts. The last thing you want to do is be carless like we have been since the middle of may.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 28, 2008, 05:37:17 PM: Exactly, that is our problem right now, bolt is over torqued and lock-tite'd on.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 28, 2008, 05:46:56 PM: at least you know lock tite works ;)
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: ColoradoB5 on July 28, 2008, 08:14:42 PM: Eric are you kidding? Where did you have the work done? I hope they are picking up the tab for their negligence.

Dub
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: Eric18T on July 29, 2008, 02:48:11 PM: Quote from: ColoradoB5 on July 28, 2008, 08:14:42 PM
Eric are you kidding? Where did you have the work done? I hope they are picking up the tab for their negligence.

Dub

I wish i was kidding. we have been without her car since mid may. we are working with the shop right now to take care of part of the bill.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: masterqi on July 29, 2008, 05:58:10 PM: Which shop? (don't say McDonald--wince!)
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 29, 2008, 07:25:46 PM: He lives on the east coast, so no, not McDonald.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: Eric18T on July 30, 2008, 06:22:30 AM: Quote from: 03Indigo on July 29, 2008, 07:25:46 PM
He lives on the east coast, so no, not McDonald.

it was actually done in denver by a reputable shop there (no names will be mentioned). But they are working with us even know we live on the east coast now to take care of the issue. It has been quite the fiasco.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 92UrS4 on July 30, 2008, 07:09:17 AM: It's nice to hear they are working with you, I know we all make mistakes. It's part of being human. Owning up to them is the hard part sometimes.
Title: Re: Timing Belt Garage Day - July 26
Post by: 03Indigo on July 30, 2008, 01:52:47 PM: I never make mistakes, it is always someone else's fault ;)