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Title: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 27, 2009, 02:14:00 PM
I some how ened up with a 951 ;)


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3306/3474984822_14e676b618_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 92UrS4 on April 27, 2009, 02:33:52 PM
Good kind of oops to have. :D

Track car?
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 03Indigo on April 27, 2009, 02:44:10 PM
Nice Cole, beautiful looking P-car!!!  I want those wheels for my MINI ;)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 27, 2009, 03:24:17 PM
Track car, fun project, etc.

Needs some interior love.....thinking micro suede/alcantara ;)


I also need to do some motor work for it (and have an evil swap idea in mind, but that will be down the road a ways)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: redline on April 27, 2009, 05:08:14 PM
Awesome!
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Post by: Spicoli on April 27, 2009, 09:37:48 PM
I also need to do some motor work for it (and have an evil swap idea in mind, but that will be down the road a ways)

Nice Cole.  Good project car. 

Evil huh? I hope we're not thinking the same thing.
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Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: KWilson on April 28, 2009, 07:14:09 AM
Wow, that looks like a lot of fun.  I love the wheels.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 28, 2009, 10:31:35 AM
I am considering doing a 1.9L TDI swap ;)
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Post by: masterqi on April 28, 2009, 01:32:11 PM
/in the best James May voice/

The first sports car to offer both driver-side and passenger-side airbags.

Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 28, 2009, 06:16:32 PM
Haha.....an option starting in 87. My car is has no airbags.

I do have a sweet wood Momo steering wheel if anyone wants it in trade for something else!
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 03Indigo on April 28, 2009, 06:48:20 PM
pics of the steering wheel please!!!  I am interested for "garage art" reasons :)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 28, 2009, 08:20:25 PM
Here are some interior shots. Cars is a bit rough. Needs some love.

This shot was taken the day I got the car home.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3657/3485234768_8c9cb56f48_b.jpg)


Two hours later. (the seats drove me nuts) ::)

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3383/3484421595_d87c572a88_b.jpg)


Interior needs some serious love. I am thinking mostly black alcantara, new carpet, alcantara steering wheel, replace the red dash surround with black, gauge rings, LED guages, new shift boot and knob and ......

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3484423113_83e61a1e50_b.jpg)


....and starting the motor work.  :o

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3655/3484425965_17c40ff7fc_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Docwyte on April 29, 2009, 07:11:27 AM
Drop an LS1 in it!
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 29, 2009, 07:22:52 AM
Building a "948" is really the reason I bought it Josh.  Don't really have the time or cash for the swap just yet.  Need to find all the parts first.

So in the meantime I will make it run and work on the restoration stuff.

Just could not pass up the deal on the rolling chassis. 
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 03Indigo on April 29, 2009, 09:53:40 AM
what are you looking for in exchange for the Momo?  I doubt I have anything to trade, how much you asking for?
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on April 29, 2009, 05:04:16 PM
I honestly have no idea what it is really worth. I just want an Alcantara version of the same wheel basicly. I am open to suggestions.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: jfrahm on May 01, 2009, 11:33:11 AM
Cool!  I have been thinking about the LSx swap for my 968 cabrio.  That's one of the reasons I have not gone ahead with the turbo swap, which I have lots of parts for. $10k-$20k either way.  I'd prefer the V8 power delivery and reliability but some of the rough spots from the conversion worry me.

-Joel.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on May 01, 2009, 05:25:41 PM
I've been looking at the LSx conversions......very nice.


Here is what I currently have.

1 bent valve.

Okay, got the head off and found the problem. Looks like it had one slightly bent valve.

You can see here where the valve on the right is not seated.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3324/3492848376_35be3c785a_b.jpg)

You can see here where it contacted the back cyl.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3492034225_cd5fb3f9ca_b.jpg)


Just a shot of the others.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3411/3492035435_6c44011f99_b.jpg)


Not the best shot, but can anyone identify this wastgate?

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Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: jfrahm on May 02, 2009, 08:26:19 AM
No big deal.

You might consider a steam vent mod on the head:

http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/STEAMVENT.html (http://www.lindseyracing.com/LR/Parts/STEAMVENT.html)

Since you have the head off, if there is any concern about the clutch it's a good time to get after it.  In an 86 the clutch is a lot more difficult due to the exhaust crossover being in the way.  With the head off, that's already out of the way.  And the turbo, that's off too, hmm :-) [personally I think people generally go too big with turbo mods on the 951 and make it an annoying, fiddly money pit but those that set realistic street goals have a pretty good time.]

I've got some 86 951 Europroducts chips and a set of new Metal Master brake pads in the shop someplace too if you need them.  Odds are you've already got some chips.

-Joel.

Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on May 02, 2009, 05:58:12 PM
I drove the car into the garage, so I am hoping the clutch works fine. Just more work than I initially want to do.

Things I have found in the car so far.

-Huntley racing chips.
-4" Magnaflow exhaust from the wastegate back, no cat.
-MBC
-K&N cone filter and what looks like some sort of MAF conversion
-Boost gauge.
-Head has been ported, polished and O-ringed and had a Wide fire head gasket on it. (now I just need to replace the one bad valve)
-Upgraded BPV
-Tial 38mm waste gate.
-Koni shocks in the rear, can't see the front. Needs a front left lower control arm.....anyone have one???

Can't tell if some of the other stiff is stock or upgraded.


 :o :o
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: ianacole on May 02, 2009, 06:17:03 PM
Needs a front left lower control arm.....anyone have one???

You would probably be able to find one here: http://www.nasarockymountain.com/nasa_forums/forumdisplay.php?f=20 There's a lot of good knowledge with the Spec944 guys as well.  I may have some other resources to find parts if you need them ;)

Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on May 02, 2009, 06:24:40 PM
Thanks for the link. Did not really see what I was looking for in there.

I need 1 turbo exhaust valve, wide fire head gasket(complete set for reinstalling the head), control arm.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Docwyte on May 02, 2009, 07:27:24 PM
Wow Cole, car has some nice parts on it!
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: ianacole on May 02, 2009, 09:16:40 PM
Thanks for the link. Did not really see what I was looking for in there.

I need 1 turbo exhaust valve, wide fire head gasket(complete set for reinstalling the head), control arm.

Join and post up there, itemizing what you need.  There's a bunch of cars in various stages of completion and having been upgraded leaving spare parts you could use.  Just let them know I sent you ;)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: jfrahm on May 03, 2009, 06:04:37 AM
A big local auto parts store should have injector kits for you, or you can save a few bucks and order them from Rockauto (or whoever.)  I got some at Checker last go-round.

Other tips:  Many like to switch to studs for the exhaust manifold.  They get them for a Saturn at the dealer, search the RL 951 forum if you are interested.

An 86 also does not have the flexible exhaust manifold (stock) and the stock 1-4 manifold is prone to cracking.  If you still have the 86 manifold I'd suggest getting the later version.

Likewise the 86 has the one-piece crossover under the car that makes the clutch job hellish.  You can fit a later one or an aftermarket crossover, or just plan on a crossover removal when you need access to the clutch.

Someone already suggested fuel lines yes they are a common failure point and lead to a car-b-q.  Make sure the little jumper hose is OK too (or replace it.)

I have some control arms but they are late offset (87+.)  The lefts are usually in better shape used due to power steering leaks damaging the bushings on the RH side.  Rennbay sells balljoint kits, but if you need the other bushings you might just get a rebuilt arm or a good used one.  968 rear control arm mounts (the ones with the eccentric) are an upgrade, less mushy.

I have the crank lock and timing belt tools.  I also have a 9201 but you need to retension the belts after a short time so it's better to have your own way of setting belt tension.

You need to get the crank bolt on properly tight or you may lose oil pressure.  The crank lock helps a lot.

Check the part number on your DME (fuel pump and brain) Relay, if it's old they tend to stop working and leave you stranded.  If it's old either replace it with the 993 part or carry a jumper wire to get home.  You can also pop the cover off and wedge some paper in there to get the contacts to close, that sometimes works.  usually people just get the new part and carry the old one as a spare, but there is a chance your has already been replaced.

Good luck,
-Joel.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on May 03, 2009, 06:53:25 AM
Thanks for the info Joel.

Keep the information coming. Trying to get up to speed on this car as quickly as possible.

Sounds like my exhaust has been updated. It had studs on the header flanges, there is flex pipe in the headers, and I rememeber seeing 3-4 flanges at the wastegate.

I think I will try a ball joint rebuild kit.

Power steering growned bad when I put the car in the garage. So something there needs work.


It sounds like the guy I bought the car from had no clue what he had. It was probably the guy that had it before him that did all this work and the guy I got it from simply had no clue, then when it broke he just wanted to get rid of it.

You could tell talking to him he had no idea about the car. He kept saying "I have no idea what this guy did to the car (refering to the guy he bought it from) but it is FAAAASSSSSTTTTTT!!!!". Or course I shrugged off all the fast comments from him because you never know what their reference point is. The stock 217hp could have been fast to him.


Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 10, 2009, 09:12:10 PM
$7.50 worth of interior restoration.

Thought I would try the Duplicolor vinyl stuff first. (since it is at the store down the street).

Keep in mind the rest of the interior is not done, or even fully assembled yet. But you get the idea. (dash and console only at this point)

BEFORE!!
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3414/3560256823_54b09b1706_b.jpg)


AFTER.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3567/3615976156_634d646d0e_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Spicoli on June 10, 2009, 09:44:50 PM
Wow, that is seriously impressive.  Nice way to spend $7.50
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Post by: gragravar on June 11, 2009, 05:53:25 AM
pretty damn impressive!
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Post by: 92UrS4 on June 11, 2009, 07:42:05 AM
Nice, I have a can sitting in my garage ti do my arm rests and my dash on the Scout. Looks good.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 11, 2009, 10:23:58 AM
....well get to work!!! ;D
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Post by: 92UrS4 on June 11, 2009, 10:39:39 AM
I will this weekend...maybe
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: gragravar on June 11, 2009, 10:41:51 AM
I will this weekend...maybe

what's with the name change
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Post by: 92UrS4 on June 11, 2009, 10:52:34 AM
I'm crazy like that
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 12, 2009, 02:59:27 PM
Okay, so now I'm up to about $37 in paint.

Picked up some of the black and tired it on the carpet since my carpet was TRASHED anyway. This stuff is amazing.


Here is another before picture.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3543/3484423113_83e61a1e50_b.jpg)

And how it sits now after a couple of hours of paint.


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Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: gragravar on June 12, 2009, 03:10:23 PM
Never heard of painting the carpet, but that looks pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 12, 2009, 03:15:18 PM
This stuff is FREAKISHLY cool.

I had my doubts about the carpet stuff. But since I had the can in my hand and was planning on tossing the carpet in the trash anyway I thought I would give it a shot. Looks almost brand new in person......strange stuff dude.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 12, 2009, 03:42:26 PM
Wait, so you used the vinyl paint on the floor?
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 12, 2009, 04:07:47 PM
Yeah...read the can. Says its also for carpet.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 12, 2009, 05:06:07 PM
Awesome.
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Post by: 03Indigo on June 12, 2009, 06:32:57 PM
Nicely done Cole, I have seen others use that stuff on the STis before, all had good results.  Sometimes on seat material, it came up on their clothes, but for carpet....it is perfect.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Mcstiff on June 12, 2009, 10:00:46 PM
Yeah...read the can. Says its also for carpet.

Sweet! I'm going to R&R my rear parcel shelf; its a lil purple.

Now I am wondering about blacking out some trim as well. Another project for the list.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 13, 2009, 03:05:49 PM
Jfrahm loaned me the tools I need to finally change the waterpump and install the timing belt ....again.

But, the interior project was pretty fun. Nice to do something that has such a drastic result for low cost and minimal effort. (unlike most of my other projects) ::)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 13, 2009, 03:29:27 PM
As long as we are on the topic.

I picked up the car when an opportunity came up.  Was not really ready to do one of my "normal" projects on it yet. So I figured I would just clean it up a bit and drive it until I am ready to do what I normally do....(which is complete and total overkill).

So the current plan was to just get it clean enough to drive around. So here is where it started a month ago.


Notice the sweet speakers, the nice chew stains on the carpet, the red dash, etc.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/3474976922_80cf3f57f1_b.jpg)


Sweet 90s 300ZX seats.  I can't even begin to tell you how heavy these are. I'm 6'2" and 240lbs and they were hard to lift out to the trash.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3632/3474172435_46f77dfdbd_b.jpg)


I picked up a set of Scorpion seats down at checker. These are the cheap seats ($350 total). So we will see how they work out. Had to do minor fab to get them to fit. (welding, etc)

$40 in interior paint.
$20 for a new instrument surround on ebay.
---JVC stereo FREE, left over from another project.
Supposed to pick up a used 3 spoke leather Momo from a guy today for $75
-Simpson harness left over from my other race car, so free.
$10 for a new shift boot from Advanced Auto. (black with red stitching)

Here is how it sits as of today.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3410/3622656545_9e4794275c_b.jpg)

....and one more simply because I uploaded it already and this post would be worthless without pictures.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3379/3623474432_a24ff8e633_b.jpg)

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Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 13, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
LOL...Cole, you are becoming a pic whore....I LOVE it ;D

Car is looking great.  Makes me want to pull out the interior of the MINI and remove the black carpet over lay, and paint the tan carpet black instead.  Looks awesome!!!


Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 13, 2009, 04:12:49 PM
My interior skills are not as good as yours though.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 03Indigo on June 13, 2009, 04:29:11 PM
I don't know, you are catching up fast!!! ;)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 22, 2009, 09:44:40 AM
Finally got it out of the garage for some pics in the sunlight.


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3625/3649384018_f674147cd1_b.jpg)


....and the outside just to prove it does leave the garage.

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3656/3649381704_ec28d4f527_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: 92UrS4 on June 22, 2009, 10:13:56 AM
new steering wheel!
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Post by: Spicoli on June 22, 2009, 11:54:22 AM
I had that steering wheel on my Miata... I really liked it. 

Car looks pretty clean body-wise.  Look forward to seeing what you do with this.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Cole on June 23, 2009, 12:07:53 PM
Since you have the head off, if there is any concern about the clutch it's a good time to get after it. 
-Joel.



 :o

Maybe I should listen to Joel more.  ;)

I find it hard to believe the abuse some people can put a car through. One would think that in order to have a waterpump fail, leading to a broken timing belt and bent valve that the clutch had to have been in at least decent working order.

Clutch rattles BAD under engagement. So next step is to put a clutch in the car. It was just hard to justify tossing another $1,000 at a part I did not know was bad.

I did put about 150 miles on the car yesterday. It's a bit of a beast!! Needs some sorting out and by the end of the day the already rattling clutch was starting to scream under 15psi of boost.  ::)

Back in the garage!!
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Mcstiff on June 23, 2009, 01:53:34 PM
I did put about 150 miles on the car yesterday. It's a bit of a beast!! Needs some sorting out and by the end of the day the already rattling clutch was starting to scream under 15psi of boost.  ::)

Back in the garage!!


That's too bad that it has to come apart aagain. Great that it is running well though. One day I will have one :D
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Docwyte on June 23, 2009, 03:17:57 PM
I loved my 944 Turbo S.  I wish I hadn't sold it. :'(
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: jfrahm on June 24, 2009, 09:49:43 AM
Sorry to hear about that.  It is amazing how a determined person can drive a car into the ground, ignoring any number of issues.

You should check the torque tube bearings though, they can rattle and be lived with so maybe that's what your PO was ignoring.  Birthing the torque tube is kind of a pain but as with the clutch the transaxle has to come out so it's just a matter of dropping the rear suspension as well. 

The bearings in the torque tube can be hooked out with a very long threaded rod and replaced.  Geoff, I think, just recently got a used or rebuilt torque tube so he has recently done the job.  It'd be nice if someone local has done a rebuild and has the hook tool and 6' threaded rod.

Either way as your transaxle has to come out.  You can swap your halfshafts L/R to even out wear.  I also recommend hex heads and safety wire star washers or drilled and wired bolt heads for the axle bolts, they never seem to like to stay put (might mainly be an issue with people not chasing the threads, cleaning them properly, and using good thread locker but I do not know.)  The bolts back out, sometimes then snap off and you are walking.

If you want a short-throw shifter that woudl be easy to install when the transaxle is out also (they fit on the transaxle end.)

See you,
-Joel.
Title: Re: Opps!
Post by: Mcstiff on June 24, 2009, 10:49:31 AM
Birthing the torque tube is kind of a pain but as with the clutch the transaxle has to come out so it's just a matter of dropping the rear suspension as well.

(http://www.nasarockymountain.com/nasa_forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=688&stc=1&d=1244169791)